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To: Wuli
At least you acknowledge that Lincoln hatched the Federal Leviathan that has denied the states the rights they had under the original framework in which this system of governance was created.

Lincoln was the first to massively expand Federal power, followed by Teddy, Wilson, FDR, Johnson, Carter, Clinton and Obama.

167 posted on 05/03/2019 2:31:52 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Yes.


295 posted on 05/04/2019 5:30:56 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: DiogenesLamp; afsnco; Wuli; rockrr; x; DoodleDawg
DiogenesLamp: "At least you acknowledge that Lincoln hatched the Federal Leviathan that has denied the states the rights they had under the original framework in which this system of governance was created.
Lincoln was the first to massively expand Federal power, followed by Teddy, Wilson, FDR, Johnson, Carter, Clinton and Obama."

Wuli: "Yes."

No! Like nearly everything DiogenesLamp posts, it's a total lie, a self-delusion & fantasy.
The truth is, unless you declare war on the 13th, 14th & 15th amendments, Lincoln had nothing to do with the huge expansion in Federal Big Government which did not really get rolling until FDR's New Deal, over 65 years after Lincoln's death.

By contrast to FDR's massive New Deal increases, Progressives like TR and Wilson weren't even blips on the radar screen of growing Big Government.

  1. 1858 Democrat Buchanan's non-debt spending was 2.6% of GDP.
  2. 1871 Republican Grant's non-debt spending was 2.5% of GDP
  3. 1906 Progressive Republican Teddy Roosevelt's non-debt spending was 2.4% of GDP.
  4. 1914 Progressive Democrat Wilson's non-debt spending was 2.7% of GDP (pre-WWI).
  5. 1927 Republican "Silent Cal" Coolidge non-debt spending was 2.5% of GDP.
  6. 1936 Democrat New Deal Franklin Roosevelt's non-debt spending reached 17% (pre-WWII) and has remained north of that ever since.
So, you can blame Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt all you wish, but the fact is it was Democrats under FDR who first spiraled the Federal Government out of control, and have never looked back since.

And no region of the country was more solid in its support of Democrat FDR's New Deal than the Democrat Solid South.
So, FRiends, don't blame Lincoln.
Just look in the mirror for your own ancestors.

499 posted on 05/05/2019 10:44:04 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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