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LA Judge Rules Against San Diego Jewish Family Over $30M Painting Looted By Nazis
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Posted on 05/02/2019 12:05:17 PM PDT by BenLurkin

A 15-year court battle has seemingly come to an end after an L.A. federal judge ruled Tuesday that a Spanish museum which acquired a $30 million painting looted by the Nazis is the work’s rightful owner, and not the San Diego Jewish family of a woman who surrendered it 80 years ago to escape the Holocaust.

In his 34-page ruling Tuesday, U.S. District Judge John F. Walter found no evidence the museum knew it was looted art when it took possession in 1993.

According to the lawsuit first filed in L.A. federal court in 2005, the Nazis confiscated the painting from Lilly Cassirer, whose Jewish family owned a prominent art gallery in Berlin in the 1930s. Lilly Cassirer was among the last of the family to flee ahead of the Holocaust. As she tried to leave Germany, a Nazi official forced her to surrender the painting in exchange for the exit visa she needed. Her sister, who remained, was later killed in a Nazi death camp.

The painting was purchased directly from Pissarro’s art dealer in 1900 by the father-in-law of Lilly Cassirer, who eventually inherited it and displayed it in her home for years. When she and her family fled the Holocaust in 1939, she traded it for passage out of the country.

For years the family thought it was lost, and the German government paid her $13,000 in reparations in 1958

(Excerpt) Read more at losangeles.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: US: California
KEYWORDS: art; judge; nazis; painting; sandiego; ww2
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To: P-Marlowe

except you have ‘traded’ and ‘confiscated’ in the same sentence. It’s hardly a ‘trade’ when it’s at the point of a gun. That’s like saying a carjacker traded your car for your life so it’s not your car.


61 posted on 05/02/2019 1:30:50 PM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: Gay State Conservative

“..a Nazi official forced her to surrender the painting in exchange for the exit visa...”

And the proof that this is the way it actually happened is what?


62 posted on 05/02/2019 1:31:57 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Bob434

But it wasn’t a child. It’s a painting. This family would have a lot more peace if they would forgive. I know that would be incredibly difficult, but it’s the only way to not allow the evil ones to win. As the Rabbi said at today’s National Day of Prayer, it’s not what is done to a person, it’s how they respond to evil, that is important. Decades ago, I heard of a study that found that whether or not the Holocaust survivors did well, depended upon their response -— those who would not “move on”, as it were, let it destroy them, and never got over it, but those who determined to have a good life, despite all, were able to find happiness. We’re never going to see total justice done in this life; if we refuse to be happy until we have it, we’ll always be miserable.


63 posted on 05/02/2019 1:35:42 PM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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To: BenLurkin

“In his 34-page ruling Tuesday, U.S. District Judge John F. Walter found no evidence the museum knew it was looted art...

“Under Spanish law, Walter ruled, the painting is legally the museum’s.”

Sounds like Spain has some version of the “Holder in due Course” doctrine.

Which means unless it can proven that the Museum knew the goods where stolen then they are a “Buyer in Good Faith” and cannot be forced to surrender the property.

Not saying it is good law but the laws of Spain apply or so the judge as said. We wouldn’t want a Spanish judge overruling US laws so I doin not see a problem here as far as the legalities go.

The morality is a different matter. The right thing to do is to return the property ti it rightful owner and get the money paid back form the other party. Isn’t that what the average Freepr would do if they unknowingly and in good faith purchased, say, $9,000 worth the stolen jewelry? They would just give it back to the rightful owner, right?


64 posted on 05/02/2019 1:36:52 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: Flaming Conservative
But they accepted $13,000 reparations 30 years ago. The fact that it’s worth more now, really doesn’t enter into it.

Accepted or were given? Not 30 but 60 years ago a broke family could have been forced to take pennies on the dollar. What is the difference in that to trading your life for a painting?

65 posted on 05/02/2019 1:37:15 PM PDT by Starstruck (I'm usually sarcastic. Deal with it.)
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To: Flaming Conservative

50 years, not 30.


66 posted on 05/02/2019 1:39:39 PM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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To: Flaming Conservative

60 years, not 30.


67 posted on 05/02/2019 1:40:03 PM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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To: Savage Beast

You are right from a moral perspective. I also think that is how it works in most US states. But the judge must rule on the law as it is written and in this case it is Spanish law. Or should he just “do the right thing” regardless of the law?


68 posted on 05/02/2019 1:40:37 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: BenLurkin
According to the lawsuit first filed in L.A. federal court in 2005, the Nazis confiscated the painting from Lilly Cassirer, whose Jewish family owned a prominent art gallery in Berlin in the 1930s.

Very prominent family before the Nazis: art dealers, publishers, scientists, a famous philosopher.

69 posted on 05/02/2019 1:41:51 PM PDT by x
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To: Flaming Conservative
"But they accepted $13,000 reparations 30 years ago."

Common sense tells you excepting remuneration for anything seals the deal and $13,000 is a serious deal...IMHO

70 posted on 05/02/2019 1:45:43 PM PDT by yoe
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To: Freedom4US

‘your honor, I had no idea the car was stolen. Do I get to keep it?


71 posted on 05/02/2019 1:47:06 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Being woke means you can be nasty, hateful and use racist slurs yet feel morally superior.)
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To: Savage Beast

Either your Signature or your Brains will be on that Contract.

Godfather PING.


72 posted on 05/02/2019 1:47:39 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses.)
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To: Freedom4US

In real estate a bona fide purchaser for valid consideration who didn’t know there was a mechanic’s lien on the property, because it hadn’t been filed, would not have to pay the mechanic’s lien. But that’s real estate. No idea what the law is in art dealership.


73 posted on 05/02/2019 1:48:00 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: P-Marlowe

A deal made under duress has no legal weight.


74 posted on 05/02/2019 1:48:56 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Being woke means you can be nasty, hateful and use racist slurs yet feel morally superior.)
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To: Starstruck

The $13,000 was not part of the trading for life, it was post-war reparations. Holocaust issues aside, for instance, if I sold a painting at a garage sale for $5, then discovered it was a priceless work of art, I still would have no claim to it. Bum deal, all right, but nonetheless, I’d have no legal claim.


75 posted on 05/02/2019 1:54:20 PM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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To: z3n
Shouldn’t the family history of the item pre-empt some museum’s commercial curator interest?

Um, what about that corrupt fmr gov of NJ who destroyed a financial company?

The receiver that got the job of sorting it out treated numbered pieces of precious metals as common assets to be divvied up among those that got shafted instead of returning the identifiable property to the registered owners.

76 posted on 05/02/2019 1:59:06 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: blueplum

Where in the article is there a reference to “the point of a gun”? They applied for an exit visa. The person in charge of handing out exit visas asked for the painting in exchange for the visa. He got the painting. They got the exit Visa. Think Casablanca.

This was 1939. The Germans had not yet begun the rounding up of Jews to send to concentration camps. A lot of Jews saw it coming and were willing to pay all kinds of bribes to get out. Within a year the Nazis would start the rounding up Jews, but in 1939 nobody was pointing a gun at them.

They didn’t have the cash to pay the bribe. They had a valuable piece of art. Bribing a Nazi official was just as illegal as the official taking a bribe. Most likely the Nazi official, if he had been caught taking bribes from Jews, would have met the same fate that awaited the Jews who couldn’t afford to bribe him.

The bottom line is that the judge found that Spain was an innocent buyer. The facts of the case suggest that even though it was given as a bribe, it was not stolen. It was traded.


77 posted on 05/02/2019 2:02:14 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping List)
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To: petitfour
Traded it for her life???????????????????????????????????

As she tried to leave Germany, a Nazi official forced her to surrender the painting in exchange for the exit visa she needed. Her sister, who remained, was later killed in a Nazi death camp.

78 posted on 05/02/2019 2:06:07 PM PDT by Capt. Tom
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Have you ever paid taxes?


79 posted on 05/02/2019 2:07:09 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping List)
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To: BenLurkin

So when I buy that Ferrari on craigslist for $5000 with NO Pink Slip, I can Keep it right??


80 posted on 05/02/2019 2:07:23 PM PDT by eyeamok
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