Posted on 04/30/2019 4:06:09 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
Napoleon is a poor example.
At least start with Alexander the Great. His Empire & influence lasted well over 5 centuries in a good portion of what he conquered.
Publius Scipio Aemilianus.
Julius Caesar is a good one. Justinian had his moments.
Charlemagne too.
Pizarro, Cortes, Diego Velazquez de Cuellar.
Every single one of these Generals had impacts that lasted centuries.
President Lincoln recognized Lee’s great military skills, indeed Lincoln offered Lee the command of the entire American armies (before Virginia, Lee’s home state, seceded).
“Lee was fighting for STATES RIGHTS.”
States don’t have rights, they have powers. Lee fought for only his state of Virginia and yet only commanded the Army of Northern Virginia.
States don’t have state citizens, we are all American citizens, we have the rights.
One of them is freedom.
Slavery was the cause of the Civil War, that “vehicle” killed 700,000+ to get it stopped.
Lee was a decent general, so was Rommel. Of the 383 Confederate generals, arguably Longstreet was better. Where are his statues?
“Slavery was the cause of the Civil War, that “vehicle” killed 700,000+ to get it stopped.”
That is an interesting comment.
If the South was fighting for slavery, who was fighting against slavery?
You did notice Jim Thompson himself today on his forum expressed his happiness over the monuments decision in Old Dominion
These cretins have run here for too long....honestly I don’t care but I’d love to know their real reason and organization
It’s not happenstance
I bet these South haters here don’t know Kennedy liked LQC Lamar in his Profiles In Courage
Course they know better than JFK
He wasn’t trying for Empire
He was trying to make the North go home
Not comparable
Yes or take your guns
He was a great general. But he made mistakes at Gettysburg.
You just like Longstreet cause he turned republican
Not one whit based on his generalship
He sure did.
He let the Yankees get the high ground
One mistake can have major implications
Hood let Schofield slip by in the night at Spring Hill which was incredible feat by Schofield and the next evening just 1000 yards from where I’m sitting in my jacuzzi freeping the war was lost forever after unimaginable slaughter
Battle of Franklin
His circumstances would’ve equated him to Washington.
Freedom from an oppressive aggressor nation.
Washington wasn’t exactly a stellar general either.
Now, if he would’ve conquered the North and created a United CSA - that would’ve made him great.
No, that was U.S. Grant, but only after Lincoln and Stanton had tried McClelland and Hooker and i can't remember who else and they had all failed.
well you know a LOT more than me about that war!
But it’s worse than you think.
A sizable number of people think he led the WWII ALLIES!!!!
Hoooo boy. The Yankeefa brigade on here will have a giant giant meltdown over this.
Not equating the 2 but Ghengis Khan was a great general, too. But I’m sure that old Ghengis’ ideas about personal liberty and the Laws of Warfare are not up for debate today. So why should R.E. Lee’s be relevant? If you’re looking for perfect people among historical figures you might find 1, but no more than that.
Well the last time Trump called General Lee great - it was to extol the virtues of General Grant !
So... lets get the full context !!!
Which one. Teddy was a Colonel-of-Volunteers. His son Ted, Jr. died a Major General less than a week after D-Day while commanding the 4th Infantry Div.
‘Rights’ are fine, but sometimes exercising those rights is a bad idea.
Except the Union had not forced anything.
The democrats (under the Al Gore of his time - Breckenridge) left the Union upon their first wiff of loss of power to Republicans.
The Republicans were a brand new party, formed in opposition to the horrific Kansas-Nebraska act. This act repealed the Missouri compromise of 30-40 years earlier. It was proposed by Douglas (D) - it allowed the territories of Kansas and Nebraska to vote if they were to be free or slave.
The end result was ten years of bloody strife in Kansas as both sides fought for supremacy.
Breckenridge allowed the Republicans to win in 1860 by SPLITTING THE DEMOCRAT PARTY between himself and Douglas. A United party may have very well won the Presidency.
The democrats lost the House, but retained control of the Senate by ONE seat, and the Judiciary (by virtue of having been in control for decades).
So rather than tough out a split government for four years due to their idiotic election policy.
Breckenridge led his followers into secession. And from there into total defeat.
Breckenridge did get himself appointed to the Senate - via Kentucky - after he lost the Presidency. He tried to lead Kentucky into rebellion also, but failed.
Eventually, the Senate grew tired of his treachery and expelled the lout for treason !
See the Senate web site.
https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/expulsion_cases/038Breckinridge_expulsion.htm
“Response of the Senate
A brief discussion followed, in which Lyman Trumbull (R-IL) inquired of Breckinridge’s Kentucky colleague, Democrat Lazarus Powell, whether it was true that Breckinridge had become a general in the Confederate army. After first trying to avoid a direct answer, Powell finally confirmed that Trumbull’s information was correct. Because Breckinridge had accepted a prominent military position in the Confederacy, Trumbull asked that the resolution be amended to state:
Whereas John C. Breckinridge, a member of this body from the State of Kentucky, has joined the enemies of his country, and is now in arms against the Government he had sworn to support:
Therefore, Resolved, That the said John C. Breckinridge, the traitor, be, and he is hereby, expelled from the Senate.
That same day, the Senate voted 36 to 0 to pass the resolution as amended and expel Breckinridge.”
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