Posted on 04/25/2019 12:33:23 AM PDT by Cronos
Scotland’s first minister says ‘independent nations’ wield more power in EU than Scotland does within the UK.
Scotland should hold a referendum on independence before 2021 if the U.K. leaves the EU, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said.
“A choice between Brexit and a future for Scotland as an independent European nation should be offered in the lifetime of this parliament," the Scottish National Party leader said. "If Scotland is taken out of the EU, a referendum within that timescale must be open to us. That would be our route to avoiding the worst of the damage that Brexit would do.”
...Citing the solidarity the EU had shown with Ireland, she said that "independent nations" could wield more power in the EU than Scotland did within the United Kingdom.
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If Scotland left, Labour would never form a Government again.
Scottish Seats are key for Labour.
Always respected Scotland.
But England crapped on her for years. Remember Culloden?
Yet Scots died in English military.
When Scotland had the chance for independence and voted no,
I lost a lot of respect..
So some of the other servants are getting a better deal from their masters?
To my mind that’s an argument for throwing off your shackles, not tugging your forelock and begging “Please, sir, I want some more”
American independence owes a great deal to Scotland.
Pity they don’t make Scots like they used to...
The Irish are far from servants. They are equal members in the EU confederation and despite being <1% of the EU population, got the support of the other 26 non-UK EU member states to support Ireland in ensuring the UK abides by its promises in the Good Friday Agreement.
So instead of the UK steamrolling over ireland, the other 26 states said no, we are a united front.
This is in contrast to the UK where the will of the smaller nation of Scotland was overrun by the English will.
No.
Scotland got an independence vote. Your side lost. Deal with it. No further votes on the subject for at least a generation. Be thankful the English were so kind and civilized as to let you peacefully vote on the matter - most countries wouldn’t allow that to come up for a vote even once.
If there were another referendum and 'Leave the Union' were to win, the subsequent debate about what follows would be as divisive in Scotland as Brexit has been in the UK, with the nature of the constitution of an independent Scotland, and especially the retention or not of the monarchy, up for grabs. Scotland has both more ardent royalists and more ardent republicans than anywhere in the UK.
So True
Scottish settlers were very important.
But then so was the government of France
You probably owe more England than Scotland. The American War of Independence was very unpopular in England and they struggled to recruit in England because they opposed oppressing fellow Englishmen as they saw it in the colonies, especially those parts of England that were puritan (and roundhead) strongholds 150 years earlier. Most of the British soldiers were from the old Jacobite heartland, the Scottish Highlands, Ireland and the North of England.
Scotland was a poor backwater before she joined the Union and became an industrialised trading powerhouse. As for the Jacobite rebellion, it was a British civil war, not Scotland VS England
The Stuart’s were very much a unionist dynasty, and Scots and English fought on both sides. The Manchester Regiment of English Jacobite manned the Jacobite artillery at Culloden, and many Scottish lowlanders served in Hanoverian regiments at Culloden.
Ireland’s power within the EU was a problem for me. Why should my vote as a member of a more populated country count for less than somebody from Malta? Utterly absurd.
You make my point.
To whom would the North Sea oil belong if Scotland was not subservient to England?
Scots have always died for English interests.
At least the Irish stood and fought.
By the way whose secret service colluded with the deep state to put down our President?
Give me a break.
What about an Independent Scotland?
Do you think the Thirteen Colonies should have voted to remain under George?
Could the new flag be of Hesse/Hanover ??
Actually that’s exactly what Scotland wants to do, break away from England, like the thirteen colonies and Ireland have already done
IF Scotland gets independence then the union flag is purely the St. George cross.
Wales doesn’t want nukes
Err.. But it doesn’t.
It’s the same as comparing votes in Texas and Vermont
YES SIR!
Break away from England
AND join the EU
one world govt at its worst
But it does. If a smaller, less populous country has the same power of veto and other powers as a member state that affect all of us, that means my vote is diluted. No thanks. One man’s vote shouldn’t count for more or less than any others.
Your ignorance of Scottish and UK history is embarrassing. The Scots were leading figures in governance of the British Empire, forming a disproportionate number of administrators, governors and military leaders. This is a well known fact of any atudent of British imperial history. Scotland were probably the primary beneficiaries of both the Union and the economic opportunities of the Empire. In fact, the founding father Thomas Jefferson was forced to delete a rant against the “Scotch” in the declaration of independence because of his hatred of both the Glaswegian tobacco barons and the Highland soldiers sent by the British to quell the rebellion, whom he viewed as alien and foreign with no right to be sent against the colonists who regarded themselves at that time as Englishmen with all the rights that implied in the political discourse of the time.
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