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Carmageddon at Tesla-Panasonic Gigafactory in Nevada and Shanghai
Wolf Street ^ | 4/11/2019 | Wolf Richter

Posted on 04/12/2019 11:15:27 AM PDT by catnipman

The Gigafactory in Nevada is a joint operation between Panasonic and Tesla.

But now, according to the Nikkei, the partners have frozen the planned 50% expansion of the Gigafactory in Nevada, and Panasonic has suspended its investment in Tesla’s Shanghai plant that is currently under construction.

And now there is this awful question about demand for Tesla vehicles hanging over the battery plants, as deliveries plunged 31% globally in Q1 from Q4, to 63,000 vehicles:

Model S and X in Q1 deliveries plunged 56% from Q4 to just 12,100 vehicles. And it’s not just a seasonal blip: this was down a catastrophic 44% from Q1 2018. Model 3 deliveries in Q1 dropped 19% from Q4 and 8% from Q3, to 50,900 cars.

After having saturated its Model 3 pent-up demand, created during years of hype, the company is now facing the issue that every automaker is facing in the US: Total car sales have plunged over 30% since 2014, while truck and SUV sales have boomed.

(Excerpt) Read more at wolfstreet.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: automotive; gigafactory; panasonic; tesla
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1 posted on 04/12/2019 11:15:27 AM PDT by catnipman
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Wow Tesla really mis-read the market, like Airbus did with the A380.

They should have done a SUV!


2 posted on 04/12/2019 11:19:18 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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Here’s a better story on the situation:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/panasonic-says-reviewing-further-investment-095456810.html

TOKYO/BENGALURU (Reuters) - Panasonic Corp and Tesla Inc will continue to make new investments in the U.S. electric carmaker’s Gigafactory as needed, but believe they can squeeze more out of existing resources than previously planned, Tesla said on Thursday.

The two companies were responding to a report by Japan’s Nikkei that said they had frozen previous plans to raise the capacity of the plant, which supplies battery packs for Tesla cars.

“Both Tesla and Panasonic continue to invest substantial funds into Gigafactory,” a Tesla spokesperson said.

“That said, we believe there is far more output to be gained from improving existing production equipment than was previously estimated.”

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Tesla is also in the process of buying Maxwell, which should give them a significant boost in battery production and capacity, which could give another reason for them to delay expansion until that acquisition is complete.


3 posted on 04/12/2019 11:21:02 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Facts are racist.)
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To: dynoman

“They should have done a SUV!”

They did.


4 posted on 04/12/2019 11:22:42 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Moonman62

This company is a loser.

I wouldn’t buy a Tesla at any price...

think Delorean...


5 posted on 04/12/2019 11:24:18 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Are you on the Daily Cryptogram Ping List?...)
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To: TexasGator

What model is that? Is it selling?


6 posted on 04/12/2019 11:25:28 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: TexasGator

Model X doesn’t look like an SUV even though they call it an SUV.

82K base is pretty steep.


7 posted on 04/12/2019 11:27:52 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: catnipman

“Total car sales have plunged over 30% since 2014, while truck and SUV sales have boomed.”

And that is because SUVs and Trucks meet our needs. We’re on our second Chevrolet Avalanche ( and we’re sorry that they are no longer being produced). The first one was with us for 9 years and 175,000 miles before we decided to get a last of the Mohicans 2013 which now just broke the 100,000 mile mark. They have been two of the most reliable and useful vehicles we have ever owned. Guess the next time it will have to be a pickup.


8 posted on 04/12/2019 11:27:52 AM PDT by vette6387 (Try Pelosi for Treason)
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To: TexasGator
SUV??


9 posted on 04/12/2019 11:32:38 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: catnipman

I call those cars Teslickles. But not in polite company.


10 posted on 04/12/2019 11:39:08 AM PDT by Honest Nigerian
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11 posted on 04/12/2019 11:41:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: TexasGator

Tesla’s sales woes is another triumph of simple economics over ideology...

If you’re referring to the Tesla Model X SUV, they’ve priced the majority of their potential buyers out of market at 82K$ MSRP...

I realize tech comes at a price but they’ve effectively insured the electric will probably remain a virtue signaling status symbol among the well-heeled for the foreseeable future...Narrow-minded of me, I know, but when I see a Tesla the first thing comes to mind is “tree-hugging Progtard”...

Most of what remains of the middle class in the market for a family wagon don’t have and won’t spend that kind of money on a vehicle to haul kids around, when gas is still relatively cheap and there are so many gas-powered offerings on the market, so their sales will remain small...


12 posted on 04/12/2019 11:42:39 AM PDT by elteemike (Light travels faster than sound...That's why so many people appear bright until you hear them speak)
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Could be related to another announcement yesterday - https://indigotech.com

Kinda puts the Tesla to shame.

13 posted on 04/12/2019 11:44:35 AM PDT by glorgau
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Many financial “experts” have been forecasting Tesla's collapse for a while.It's looking like their prediction will come true.
14 posted on 04/12/2019 11:48:45 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Mitt Romney: Bringing Massachusetts Values To The Great State Of Utah.)
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My last diesel,with a sticker about half of the original Tesla,had a highway range of 750 miles and could be "recharged" in about 4 minutes at any one of about 40,000 "recharging" stations nationwide.

My recently acquired diesel,which is somewhat bigger and has a much bigger engine,has a highway range of about 675 miles.

15 posted on 04/12/2019 11:53:39 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Mitt Romney: Bringing Massachusetts Values To The Great State Of Utah.)
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To: dynoman

No: U G L Y


16 posted on 04/12/2019 12:09:03 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord God Almighty, deliver us from this evil in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, amen.)
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“at any one of about 40,000 “recharging” stations nationwide”

number is closer to 150,000:

https://www.google.com/search?q=number+gas+stations+in+us

now figure 4 minutes gas/diesel vs, say, 90 minutes for electric recharge, and electric has to recharge, say 3 times as often, then that means we’ll need 10,125,000 charging stations for the entire fleet at a cost of, say, $5,000, that’s an infrastructure cost of only $50 billion dollars ... peanuts for the Green New Deal folk ...


17 posted on 04/12/2019 12:18:38 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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Only about 10% of Tesla charges are done at a supercharger. The rest are done at home or work.

The great advantage of electric charging is it can be done almost anywhere.


18 posted on 04/12/2019 12:46:40 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Facts are racist.)
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So Boise to Seattle is 500 miles. What kind of time do you estimate to make the trip? A gas or diesel vehicle is 8 hours or less.


19 posted on 04/12/2019 12:58:14 PM PDT by jps098
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If most people who buy Teslas use them for commuting why would your question matter?


20 posted on 04/12/2019 1:14:03 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Facts are racist.)
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