Posted on 04/11/2019 5:10:33 AM PDT by Eleutheria5
Chairman Hanan Melcer of the Central Election Committee has ordered that attorney Itamar Ben-Gvir, a representative of the Otzma Yehudit (Jewish Power) faction of the United Right, not be allowed to enter the Knesset and observe the process of counting votes.
Ben-Gvir said in response, "It sounds very bad and is starting to look like a banana republic. At first, Michael [Ben-Ari] was disqualified, and then Justice Melcer refused to promote me to Michael's place that was reserved for Otzma Yehudit. He also delayed our campaign and rejected a petition against Facebook, which found fit to block my page five days before the elections and now he does not let me in....
(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...
Wouldn’t have expected this out of Israel.
Does EVERY country now have its own deep state?
I know this guy names TRUMP who can help out with this.
For a long time already. It develops in mere decades. Why Jefferson said you need a revolution every 20 years.
I guess I thought Israel was above this as they need to be united to survive.
Most countries aren’t surrounded by enemies.
Well, we are, it’s just that they’re not military threats.
And yes, with the person in charge of Canada, they certainly ain’t friendly.
Enemy might be too strong a word.
In 1948, the Hagana/Ben Gurion faction was determined to dominate, even as the Arab nations attacked from all directions and the British withdrew. They short-changed formerly Irgun units all over the war theater. Had the Irgun/Begin faction taken the bait and joined the civil war the Left was practically begging for, there never would have been a State of Israel. But had the Leftists allowed the Altelena to off-load its cargo and distribute it, the Mt. of Olives and the Old City would not have been occupied for 19 years, and the Jewish Quarter would not have been used as a garbage dump for that time, and the ancient tombstones on the Mt. of Olives would not have been ground up for driveway gravel, etc. The Left has never really called a truce, life-and-death struggle or not, and the Right has been restrained to a fault. It’s plain they don’t want Bennett even in the Knesset, let alone the Government, and this imho is the real import of this election, not whether or not Bibi stays on as PM, which was almost a given.
starting to look like a banana republic
I need to look a bit of that up to fully understand it, but I get the general idea.
History fascinates me. Especially moderately recent history, and 1948 is recent, history-wise.
Seems like you’re saying the left was trying to sabotage Israel early on. The Israeli left?
Hagana/Ben Gurion ..Not sure what that is/was.
Didn’t know there was an arab war right away, or was it just a “conflict”?
Irgun/Begin? Not sure what that is/was.
Who occupied the Old City for 19 years, and what was the old city?
If this is too much, I understand and I will go look it up.
Mt. of Olives ground up for driveway gravel?
What is the Jewish Quarter? Ad it was used as a garbage dump? Literally or arab wastes of life?
thanks
Old City of Jerusalem, where the Wall, David’s Tomb, Church of Sepulchre, Via de la Rosa, Temple Mount all are, including the Jewish Quarter, bombarded into surrendering by the Arab League in ‘48, and made Judenrein, and then used as a garbage dump for 19 years. Mt. of Olives tombstones ground up for gravel, made into privvies for workers building the International Hotel while under Jordanian occupation until 1967. Ben Gurion was the first Prime Minister and leader of the Hagana, and far left wing Labour Zionist. Menachem Begin was the leader of the Hagana and epic-ally heroic rebel against the British, and right wing Revisionist Zionist. Left was trying to win the war for dominance after the victory over the Arabs that had not yet happened, while the Right was focused on the victory, and unconcerned with the post-war Israel and who would run it, so long as it came to be.
Factions, factions, factions.
It is sometimes unbelievable how Israel has survived, with a political class that has always been riven by many factions and governments seldom formed by a pure majority.
Instead perennially Israel has been governed by coalitions cobbled together with all the power-brokering and horse-trading that involves. And in that environment, with each faction grasping or clinging to what little piece of the power they have, or they want, someone is always stepping on someone’s toes, and someone is always complaining they were denied what they deserved. U.S. politics are tame by comparison.
Isn’t Ben Gvir a secular nationalist? Secular nationalism is a dead end.
You have lots of parties, but only two are relevant. In the parliamentary system, it’s different. And the Israeli parliamentary system could use regional representation and the right to vote for individuals instead of party lists, both of which the British have, and some clear-cut limits on the judiciary, which is way more capricious than the American, which is saying a lot. I think we need a monarchy, too, like the British. We do have a royal family, and despite the passage of millenia, descendants of the Davidic dynasty are still prominent, and verifiable thanks to DNA testing.
Don’t know him.
“You have lots of parties, but only two are relevant.”
Yes, on the surface that is generally true.
The U.S. does have its political factions. The difference begin with the type of national legislature we have - two houses, one to represent individual districts and one to represent the constituent states of the united states. The other is we have neither proportional representation or voting for anything other than an individual. Those things tend to push factions into being part of a larger body (a larger party of political actors) to get enough traction.
So the U.S. does still have factions. Each of the two parties are actually composed of factions. Or you could say our factions are submerged within the major parties, instead of being noticed altogether outside of them. Each of the two major parties in themselves coalitions of groups with somewhat different primary interests. They have banded themselves into one or the other of the major parties as their way of having some greater influence, within that party, than they might otherwise have on the whole if they were by themselves. The factions compromises take place within our two major parties instead of outwardly taking place in the national voting processes.
The Democrats contain everything on the “Left” from “Liberals” to outright Marxists as well as “Greens” and others. And they don’t all agree with each other on everything.
The Republicans contain many religious and social conservatives, conservatives who are small government advocates, strict constitutionalists, conservatives who want limited government taxation and spending, conservatives big on national defense, Libertarians who want free enterprise and free individual choice above everything else, and others. And they don’t all agree with each other on everything.
The simple way to say it is our factions have become “internalized” with the two-party system.
However, that does not necessarily mean the factions are always weak. In fact, in the Republicans, it has not always been the case that social conservatives and Libertarians have had as much influence as they do today. Likewise, the Democrats have gradually been pushed farther and farther to the Left, decade by decade since the 1960s - by the hardest Left factions within them.
Years ago I read that Ben-Gurion's motto was "anyone but Likud".
Very well done!
I have pointed this out for years on FR, but your presentation is much much better then mine were!
My hats off to you!
And go out and have a massive beer on me ! :)
“Likewise, the Democrats have gradually been pushed farther and farther to the Left, decade by decade since the 1960s - by the hardest Left factions within them.”
I know. 2020 looks like the end of a Roadrunner cartoon. They’ve gone so far left, they haven’t noticed yet that they just ran off a cliff and their Acme rocket just fizzled, and Roadrunner Trump is over there on solid ground, waving goodbye, right before Wiley Leftarde goes boom and becomes a pancake. Nothing to do with the differences between Israeli and American systems, but—HOW SWEET IT IS!
Not surprising. Ben Gurion was a great executive in many ways. The country owes its foundation to him. But as a revolutionary, he wasn’t about sh!t, and he knew that Begin was a great revolutionary, and he was jealous and afraid of him. Years later, he learned that Begin was also a statesman and not power hungry, and they reconciled.
Thx.
“I know. 2020 looks like the end of a Roadrunner cartoon. They’ve gone so far left, they haven’t noticed yet that they just ran off a cliff and their Acme rocket just fizzled”
We can only hope and pray. I never predict political futures.
It is far too often where new events, or newly recognized conditions, change hearts and minds and shift what people seem to think they want and don’t want. We can predict what we ourselve believe, but we cannot predict future events or their impact on most folks.
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