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To: dp0622
Let me restate:

o What I saw going on was that the foreign studen gets the bachelor's degree in his/her country, under somewhat different standards, often not meeting US engineering/science criteria.

o Then the degree is used as a basis for applying to a US graduate school, is accepted, and a student visa is issued, (I am not sure, but IIRC he does not need a sponsor as in a regular long-term visa.)

o The person enters the graduate school where he is offered an income through working on some grant or contract. The lower the pay, the more the school keeps of the fixed grant amount. It wouldn't be enough to support a US graduate student. This person will work for next to nothing just to exist while going to school and concurrently executing simple tasks for the grant or contact work.

o After finishing the degree work, the student has become accustomed to US living standards even at a low level. He does not want to go home to bring and share his advanced knowledge to the people there, esp where his advanced skill set is not immediately applicable until he helps to diffuse and uplift the standards there. He does not want to go back to a lower standard.

o After obtaining advanced degree, the student visa is going to run out. In anticipation of this, he markets his availability to a US company, maybe even to one sponsoring the work to take the results and experience there.

o So one or more companies offer work based on a H1B pewrmit, and he willingly will take lower entry salary, thus displacing a native-born US candidate who would expect a higher salary after all the expense.

o Seeing this competition, the US person selects to seek a more rewarding business degree rather than compete with foreigners in the applied technology realm.

To me, the foreign student should be sent home and required to stay there for a number of years before being allowed to reapply from there for reentry into the US in entry-level jobs, not just get another worker visa/permit to avoid costs of travel back home after graduation and establishing a residence and work involvement there. Usually, this person never really intended to repatriate anyway. The want to come and harvest US residency, and universities comply, with companies getting cheap technical laborers afterward.

o In the company, the entry student is given to the program or project engineer to teach/train the new guy in the technology that took the old guy years to create and develop. The the old guy is then given his pink slip or his walking papers or an early retirement, robbing of him the lasting rewards of his creativity.

What I learned is that the wise and clever inventor never gives away all he knows to these young foreigners orto the patent attorneys, and introduces his novelties in stages that maximize the time that his inventions will bring him ongoing income through his closely held experience.

You get the gist.

(BTW, PoP is shorthand for the "Publish or Perish" stipulation for a faculty member to get/keep tenure and bring in research money during his career to pay his salary and that of student assistants.)

Sorry for making the note so hard to grasp, but thanks for your patience.

56 posted on 03/30/2019 5:29:57 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

They want to come and harvest US residency...


And you’re right. A senior American giving away all knowledge and basically giving away his job is awful.

And I did not want to ask about POP :) So thanks!

You wrote the other one at your intelligence level. Can’t apologize for that.

Thank YOU for breaking it down.

59 posted on 03/30/2019 7:41:48 AM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR)
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