Posted on 03/13/2019 8:32:59 PM PDT by Simon Green
Ethiopia’s aviation authority is unable to read the black box recorders from the Boeing 737 Max plane that crashed Sunday, but a row is brewing over just where the flight recorders will be sent for analysis.
The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board is pushing to have its experts analyze the data and voice recorders, which were partly damaged, the Wall Street Journal reports, but Ethiopian authorities would prefer to work with the U.K.’s Air Accidents Investigation Branch to ensure that U.S. experts won’t have undue influence in the probe of the American-made plane.
Ethiopian Airlines CEO Tewolde GebreMariam told WSJ that the U.K., France and Germany were being considered as destinations for the black boxes, as was the European Union Aviation Safety Agency based in Cologne. He added that a decision would be made Wednesday.
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Orange is the new black.
On aviation forums the word was already out on the first of these two incidents that poor flying standards might be the real reason — certainly the software seems to be in need of improvement, but now we have two rather similar situations both involving pilots of relatively low experience and perhaps insufficient manual flying skills — once the automation fails to work, they are out of their comfort zone.
It also happened in the Air France crash over the Atlantic, so it’s not exclusively a third world sort of problem. But now we have these planes grounded throughout the aviation world even though problems have only been in that one sector. It would be interesting to learn how many times more experienced pilots have been faced with this balky software problem and how easy or difficult it was for them to overcome. We know in the first case, the pilots of an earlier flight using the doomed plane were faced with the same problems and managed to fly out of danger (they didn’t return to point of origin but flew to Djakarta where the next day, the plane was involved in the fatal outcome).
I am not sure why in the second crash some eye witness accounts speak of debris trailing the plane as if the luggage holds had been compromised. That does not sound like something that would necessarily happen as a result of the software problem.
I read somewhere on FR that there were 11 anonymous reports to some website regarding the max aircraft behavior. Can’t find it right now.
It was longer ago than that. More like 15—20 years. The airbus crash in Jersey shortly after 9/11 is the last one I recall. That was pilot error.
The black boxes (they are actually bright orange) should be analyzed by the makers of the the boxes under the close supervision of all legally interested parties.
“Let the government that may have been conspiring with Deep State to get rid of Trump do it?!
I wouldn’t.”
5 years ago if you told me (or anyone else here) that the top levels of our ENTIRE intelligence apparatus (and much of the lower levels) were going to conspire to REVERSE AN ELECTION because they didn’t approve of the winner, we would have found nice, happy, ‘home’ for you.
So it’s hard to blame the Ethiopians. Sure they may be corrupt, but it would be hard to envision their corruption matching Obama’s.
I think it was the 727 that was going down on several occasions and crashing. And it turned out to be one of the two pilots placing their coffee cups on top of a console and executing a maneuver which would spill the coffee down into the console one short out the electronics house underneath the console cover.
I was thinking about picking up a mid-sixties vehicle, however I was talking to a few people around where I live that run older cars and they said not a problem except you have to order everything online and do most of the work yourself. Which I think I could do but I could not depend on a mid-sixties car for ready and reliable transportation. So my e-vile plan became kind of moot. Unless I was really concerned about EMP.
Never saw Bosom Buddies... And I don’t think the plot would really interest me that much. I did happen across Tootsie on the rerun Channel and that lasted a total of about 15 minutes and I was out of there and back to the MLB game of the day...
The pilot flying was officially blamed, but this was due to enormous pressure from airbus and the Europeans. The plane ran through some rough turbulance shortly after takeoff and the pilot pressed the rudder pedals to compensate. The investigation found that he pressed them so hard and often that part of the tail fell off and thus it was his fault. BTW, his use of the rudder was part of his training and was only changed after the accident.
I can only hope that if I get into an emergency braking situation in my car, and push the brake really hard, that the car doesn’t come apart because I’m too “aggressive.”
There’s a postscript to this too - after 11 years, the FAA and Euro regulators decided changes needed to be made to the airbus A300. A warning light was put in to warn pilots if they were using the rudder too aggressively.
You left the "n't" off of "shouldn't". Otherwise the sentence is fine.
The Feds have gotten way too close to Boeing. An arms-length regulator should do it.
Thanks. As I recall he cycled the rudder several times in rapid secession.
That's the movie version. In reality, when the NTSB-ordered flight simulations to test the possibility that the flight could have returned safely to LaGuardia or diverted to Teterboro were run only seven of the thirteen simulated returns to La Guardia succeeded, and only one of the two to Teterboro. It was the NTSB who called the simulations unrealistic because they did not take into account real world conditions and instead began their return to the airports immediately after the bird strike. The NTSB went into the investigation suspecting that the actions of the crew were the correct ones and their investigation ultimately proved it.
If they can put a man on the moon.....
Wonder why “Black Box” data and information is not continuously down loaded to a ground based station. It would be saved for a few days after the plane lands and then deleted. Still keep the “Black Boxes” as backup.
Projection. Pure projection.
Read the last two paragraphs here
Fact free discussions going on on this thread and all other 787 Max 8 Threads. Except for reports from the crash scene and the vague reports on data from Aireon space-base GlobalBeacon system, we have zero facts, but plenty of speculation and that situation will continue until the data on the two black boxes are downloaded and analyzed. The US, the French, and the German are competent to do that, but apparently these black boxes are new models and France and Germany may not have the expertise and tools to retrieve the data from these particular boxes.
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