Posted on 03/13/2019 8:32:59 PM PDT by Simon Green
Ethiopia’s aviation authority is unable to read the black box recorders from the Boeing 737 Max plane that crashed Sunday, but a row is brewing over just where the flight recorders will be sent for analysis.
The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board is pushing to have its experts analyze the data and voice recorders, which were partly damaged, the Wall Street Journal reports, but Ethiopian authorities would prefer to work with the U.K.’s Air Accidents Investigation Branch to ensure that U.S. experts won’t have undue influence in the probe of the American-made plane.
Ethiopian Airlines CEO Tewolde GebreMariam told WSJ that the U.K., France and Germany were being considered as destinations for the black boxes, as was the European Union Aviation Safety Agency based in Cologne. He added that a decision would be made Wednesday.
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>>>Having messed with computers for years, if I had to rely on them to get from A to B in my car, I would walk or ride one of the horses.
Increasing use of computers seems to have worked well for the airplanes. Between 2010 and 2019, exactly one person died in a crash on a U.S. passenger airline. (That was the person killed aboard a Southwest flight in 2018, when an engine exploded and the debris hit her window.) By comparison: About 100 Americans die every day in car crashes.
I remember the string of AirBus crashes that happened a decade or so ago when it was new. I think some of the crashes were, as you suggest, related to pilots letting the software fly the plane rather than the software assisting the pilots as THEY flew the plane.
The black boxes just contain raw data and that data needs to be made available to a broad group of experts which certainly include the US and Boeing.
Hmmm. Likely wrong about all that! I could swear there was an aircraft line that experienced some teething problems that resulted in loss of life in the last ten or so years!
I don’t disagree at all, but 150 don’t die in one crash. Nothing is fool proof. I just think sometimes we forget experience and the human brain are pretty good operating systems. I’m just passing along what I’ve read.
Were the 737’s engines communicating data during the flight? Isn’t that how they figured out how long the flight lasted for that jet liner that was lost over the Indian Ocean a couple years ago?
In January 2009 an airbus jet with I think 158 people on board lost it’s engines due to a bird strike. It was leaving an airport in NYC going south somewhere. The pilot and the crew landed the plane in the Hudson River. The pilot Captain Sully Sullenburg was brought before a review board. It was believe he should have got to a runway to land. When it was over everyone knew not one person was lost due to his experience and brilliant flying. Sometimes it works.
Your average late model car has 50 computers in it. It doesn’t run without them.
Yeah, I think that they even made a movie about it. With that guy from Bosom Buddies (the 80s tv series about a pair of young advertising men forced to dress as women so they could live in an inexpensive all-female hotel) in the role of Sully.
Thanks for the update! We folks here in Outer Mongolia appreciate it!
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“the Ethiopians are worried about US corruption? wow. just wow.”
Can’t say I blame them, can you? We have become a nation with way, way too many money grubbing crooks
Example:
A few weeks ago, my wife slipped in the bathroom and bumped her head on the tub surround. As a precautionary measure, she went to the ER. All they did was take a CT scan of her head just to make sure she didn’t have a brain bleed. We were in and out of the place inside a couple of hours. The bill just came from Medicare. The tab, $21,000.00! Medicare “allowed” about $500. The Medigap insurance “Plan F,” chipped in a few hundred more and the bill is considered paid in full. Anyone with half a brain has to know that it’s not worth $21k, but it also isn’t worth a thou! But this is how medicare has devolved into a financial game of chicken with the healthcare providers, and it stinks!
Boeing builds the best planes in the world today. The Airbus is a piece of crap by comparison. But now we will have months, if not years with all the players standing around the financial caldron like the scene from MacBeth trying to figure out who gets screwed on the deal.
“Yeah, I think that they even made a movie about it.”
It was on TV last week. Clint Eastwood was the producer and director. Sully lives here in Danville, CA.
By comparison: About 100 Americans die every day in car crashes.
My brother has been a Captain on Southwest Airlines flying 737s for decades now. They are incredibly safe vehicles. His immediate reaction was that Ethiopian incompetence and negligence had something to do with the crash. He gave flight instruction to Ethiopian pilots before he managed to get hired by an airline. He told me at that time to never, ever, ever fly on an airline based in a 3rd world country. The people he taught from 3rd world countries were all selected based on who they knew or were related to and most of them shouldn't have been allowed near a moped let alone an airplane.
That’s my thinking, too. I’m sure Ethiopian pilots don’t get nearly as much trading as U.S. owned airline pilots. Even if there is a computer issue, I’m sure U.S. pilots know what to do in that situation.
My airline pilot son goes through simulator training for three days twice per year, and he must have well over 15,000 hours by now.
I’m kind of an old duffer, but in years past those that do things had to prove they could do it. That required work to learn, practice, get all the experience you could get, and too prove you could do it, to a person who was a pro. Sure your old man telling someone to give you a shot helped but you still had to prove you were that good. I’m sure some bought their way to positions. That’s just the way things work. This needs to see if it’s pilot error, software glitches, or a combination of factors. Best way to me is bring the pilots who fly this type of plane in to help review what happened. Then make sure it doesn’t happen again.
Pilot did a low pass to wow the crowd, then the drama began. The plane's computer apparently attempted to complete the landing, while the pilot tried to power-up and go around. They wrestled for a few hundred yards, then the plane ended up crashed in the trees at the end of the runway.
The pilot was killed, IIRC.
Sounds eerily similar, with computer commanding DOWN while pilot fought to go UP.
Good question. I am no expert but obviously not all data stored on a black box is transmitted to the ground. Also not sure if any data communicated to the ground is not stored on the black boxes.
If the black boxes are in decent shape I would think they would have a wealth of data to pore through. It should separately detail pilot controls vs MCAS controls so if the pilot is fighting MCAS it would hopefully shop that.
It would be racist not to.
Since it is an American Plane then the FAA should analyze the black boxes. By the way they are not black. They’re Orange unless burnt!
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