Posted on 03/11/2019 5:36:08 PM PDT by Magnatron
The tragedy of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302, a crash that killed 157 people this past Sunday, has uncomfortably similar characteristics to Lion Air's October 29 crash in Indonesia. Both airplanes are Boeing's latest offering, the 737-800 MAX.
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As for the question so many of you are probably asking: Would I fly on a 737 MAX? Yes, in the United States -- but I can't deny my comfort level would be low.
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I heard a bunch of important un people were on that plane. Hmmm...
A while back it was the rudder yaw damper giving uncontrolled roll which flipped the plane on its back. A 737 outside P’burg (I think) went in from 6K feet upside down.
Apparently on this latest iteration with new wings and engines and front nose, the anti stall system was modified. Aparently enough that crew has to be trained to deal with how it handles things differently than older 737s.
Uninterupted autopilot !
From a whole family of pilots......first flying with my pilot father at 12, learned to fly when I was 15.......
FAA needs to immediately have all pilots of that plane trained on how to instantly disable that previously undisclosed automatic anti-stall system...
I suspect Boeing & FAA are doing this now.
If I were a commercial pilot flying this plane, I’d never fly it again without such training........
They are all important.
” I don’t usually advocate heading to CNN and give them clicks for anything, but Abend’s article is very insightful with a lot of technical detail, and a little frightening. The fact that even he admits his comfort level would be low to fly one now is certainly disturbing. “
Thanks for wasting my time.
I’m not much into aeronautics but I’m pretty sure gravity was involved.
With you on this.. have 1400 plus hours multiIFR.... when the pilot is overridden by autonomous systems and is battling the computer... not good....sometimes the design engineers are too clever for our own good...
The witness reports of this crash sound like something very different from an anti stall problem. Reports of a loud rattling sound and flames “at the rear” before the plane “turned and the nose dropped and tail rose” (paraphrasing).
Just going to have to wait on this one. Recorder damaged but hopefully they can reconstruct the event by using it.
“that previously undisclosed automatic anti-stall system...”
If you, like me, have spent a little time around aviation, think of the insanity of that statement. Have you ever heard of a manufacturer installing an automatic anti-stall system, and not telling the operators? I literally cannot get my mind around that.
According to the flight tracking profile it was a up-and-down battle in the first several minutes of flight. About a solid minute of violent up and down attitude changes. This happens to be the profile of a pilot fighting to pull up something that the aircraft wants to pull down. As for the accuracy of Ethiopian Witnesses who probably run indoors when there’s an eclipse, and drop their jaws when you summon fire with a Bic lighter, I think I would take them with a grain of salt. On the best days have accident investigation eyewitnesses from the ground are probably one of the most unreliable sources.
A manchurian chip from china to injure the aviation industry and test their manchurian chips
It’s not looking good for Boeing at least so far with the info we know about both crashes. Both flight profiles indicate the very real possibility that Boeing’s new MCAS system is fatally flawed or pilots do not understand how to use it or both. Of course, considering the airlines that have had the 737-MAX crashes, I would also not count out pilot error or poor maintenance. But considering how this retired pilot describes the operation of the MCAS system, I’m leaning towards it being the culprit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3LrsvaCUoo
Totally agree, DR....scary beyond belief!
BOEING, of all companies - INSTALLS A SYSTEM TO OVERRIDE PILOT CONTROLS AND DOESN’T TELL PILOTS THAT IT IS THERE!
Somebody needs to go to the gallows - over 300 have died because of this aviation insanity.......
Uncle was Navy pilot/instructor, father a pilot, 2 sons are pilots - 1 a Navy pilot.....
My first question: Were these two aircraft built in China? China hornswoggled Boeing into building planes in China if they want to sell to China. Those Chinese-built planes are being sold outside China now. In fact, the Chinese gubmint has ordered mfg halted until the reasons for the crashes are determined.
VFP 6366 .....a old f-8 squadron.....
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