[Paal Gulli]

"would you count “smoking” as evidence to the contrary?"

The second rule of crash investigations is that "eye-witnesses" are unreliable.

[JohnBrowdie]

The second rule of crash investigations is that "eye-witnesses" are unreliable.

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the first rule of crash investigations is that "eye-witnesses" are about a trillion times more reliable than internet message forums that are operating on the basis of almost zero knowledge.