Posted on 02/18/2019 10:33:41 AM PST by bgill
I had something similar 30 years ago from a single tetanus shot. A baseball sized lump the doc drained and cultured. He said it was an aseptic abscess. We decided it was from the Thimerosol preservative. I knew I was sensitive to it because I had a reaction to contact lenses solution containing it. I’ve had flu shots for the last 20 years with no problem. I always check to make sure ther is no Thimerosal.
The last week of November, Richie received several vaccines which included the flu vaccine.
On December 2nd, he was hospitalized with paralysis of his arms and legs. He was put on a respirator and the outlook was bleak. Doctors have identified it as Transverse Myelitis, which can be caused by a variety of causes.
According to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19880568
Transverse myelitis is a rare clinical syndrome in which an immune-mediated process causes neural injury to the spinal cord. The pathogenesis of transverse myelitis is mostly of an autoimmune nature, triggered by various environmental factors, including vaccination.
Richie pre illness
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3717837/posts?page=290#290
No. Otherwise we would never have drugs pulled off the market which happens frequently.
Why are you beating this dead horse. If you actually knew anything about medical research you would not place it on a pedestal.
Just like the rest of life people take short cuts, get emotionally invested and don’t see clearly. Companies with muscle & a financial interest bury complications. It’s the best we have but it is by no means perfect. So many things which were claimed to be: the best diet, the worst diet, the whole cost benefit analysis of the cholesterol drugs demonstrate clearly that medical science is an art and is often influenced by ego and $ to the detriment of patients and the American people.
Spend a little time investigating the inefficacy of flu vaccine and the great transfer of wealth it represents. Look at Europe and their recommendations re flu vaccine. They think the US is nuts but it’s not nuts it’s the callousness and rapaciousness of Big Pharmy.
I know that vaccines are needed , BUT
I am also sure that Richie’s 3 month old cousin will not be getting all of these vaccines in one giant shot.
Doctors have said it was very probably the flu shot. Young bodies should not be given all of these pathogen proteins at the same time.
It would not harm the child to get these vaccines in two or three shots instead of loading them up in one.
I have seen first hand what the results can be. It would be better to see him cry two or three times than to see him paralyzed from the neck down.
I’m still praying for him and asking for God’s miracle.
I’m just telling you that there are two sides to this story.
I do not doubt that. I understand the data. I understand the marginal risk difference of old vs new.
Given a choice, you first. I’ll go with a well understood “old way” over being one of the first to try the “new way”.
I’m glad you are going first and will enjoy the vast improvement in health and well being the new vaccine provides before I’m willing to give it to my kids.
Oddly, I can find no evidence that other nations vaccine schedules are significantly different than ours. The main difference I see is that they give the BCG (anti-TB) vaccine in several countries in the EU, but we do not use that one in the US.
https://vaccine-schedule.ecdc.europa.eu/
Most nations base their vaccine schedules on WHO recommendations. The US CDC and the WHO work closely together, so our vaccine schedule is also close to the international recommendations.
You claim to be a scientist and physician, yet you do not talk like you have those qualifications. I am a scientist; the topic of vaccines happens to be one of my specialties.
I was right here during the “Gardasil fiasco.” As I recall, there were a lot of claims in the anti-vax community that actually were not substantiated by any solid evidence. The luddite resistance to the HPV vaccines seems to have dissipated. Meanwhile, we expect the HPV related cancer rates to start decreasing as more young people who were vaccinated as children reach adulthood.
I actually read the NCBI summary of transverse myelitis before I posted to Ritchie’s mother.
Autoimmune disorders are more likely to occur after an infection than a vaccine. Clearly, the problem is in the immune system and not any specific pathogen antigens. Little Ritchie’s illness is unfortunate, but is not a reason to start shouting anti-vax hooey. On the contrary, it seems that he will be one of those children who is absolutely dependent on the vaccination status of other children around him in order to stay healthy.
I beg to differ: with a PhD in biochemistry and molecular biology, I have spent an entire career in medical research. I'm fairly sure I have a nuanced depth of understanding of medical research that is matched only by a handful of other FReepers. I also post about it frequently.
Spend a little time investigating the inefficacy of flu vaccine and the great transfer of wealth it represents. Look at Europe and their recommendations re flu vaccine.
That's funny. In a previous post, I said that vaccines happen to be one of my areas of expertise. Oddly, the flu vaccine is the one on which I have the most knowledge. Oh, and Europe uses the same flu vaccines that we use.
My sons are in their 30s. I'm not taking them to the pediatrician for shots any time soon. However, I would not hesitate to use a new vaccine. Just like I do not hesitate to use any new medical treatment, as long as I can review the data supporting it.
Interesting, thanks.
Welcome. I started getting the flu shot after a bout of full blown influenza. I was sick for a month and decided I didn’t want to do that again.
Oh sounds good but I’m in the same pond.
Only the U.S. and Canada actually encourage everyone older than 6 months to get the flu vaccine.
Apparently, not a single country in Europe asks the general population to seek that same kind of protection, according to Robb Butler, the World Health Organization technical officer in vaccine preventable diseases and immunizations in the organization’s Europe office in the Netherlands.
That’s because global health experts say the data aren’t there yet to support this kind of blanket vaccination policy, nor is there enough money. In fact, some scientists say the enthusiasm for mass vaccination in the United States may hurt efforts to create a better vaccine.
This year, a year in which the vaccine is supposed to be a good match to the virus, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates the vaccine is only 62% effective.
How could you come to that conclusion? Not only is one of the most common causes flu vaccine but this child’s doc has stated that is the likely cause.
The only one shouting anti vaccine hooey is you. I am frankly done. I have no agenda but your’s is insurmountable. Be at peace.
No doubt you think that refusing to look at any issues is the way to force people to get all the vaccines offered.
You think we should ignore peer reviewed journals too?
Lupus. 2009 Nov;18(13):1198-204. doi: 10.1177/0961203309345730.
Transverse myelitis and vaccines: a multi-analysis.
Agmon-Levin N1, Kivity S, Szyper-Kravitz M, Shoenfeld Y.
Augst 2010
Longitudinally Extensive Transverse Myelitis Following Vaccination With Nasal Attenuated Novel Influenza A(H1N1) Vaccine
Wafa Akkad, MD; Bassel Salem, MD; Jerome W. Freeman, MD; et al Mark K. Huntington, MD, PhD
Author Affiliations Article Information
Arch Neurol. 2010;67(8):1018-1020. doi:10.1001/archneurol.2010.167
Apparently Richie who is the subject of the FR llnk I posted had a flu shot or something and that did it.
We shouldn’t do any more vaccines at once than we did 50 years ago.
I believe in getting appropriate vaccinations, just not all at once, as happened to me with serious result. I, too, get an annual flu shot and am going for pneumonia and shingles, spaced at a decent interval (am in that age zone).
You need a basic understanding of immune system function and what vaccines actually are in order to understand what is going on physiologically.
First, a vaccine is the inactivated or attenuated virus. Thus, the immune system is responding to it the same way as it responds to a live pathogen, as far as antibody production goes. It is not the vaccine, but the response to challenge with a pathogen that causes the rare autoimmune reactions. As a researcher, I would want to understand why the immune system failed to prevent the formation of self-recognizing antibodies. No way am I going to jump on an anti-vax bandwagon just because people do not understand immunology or vaccines.
Insane? To my mind this is criminal. And I am NOT a bloody antivaxxer.
Basic understanding? The FDA has proven repeatedly over its existence that it is not omniscient. 6-in-1 may be convenient and cost-effective, but I’d argue the jury’s still out on whether or not it’s good medicine.
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