[Black Agnes]

Creates two classes of people. One protected. One not.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

PING!

[NohSpinZone]

Uh, we already pay for these people! Get bent, dimms.

[JohnBrowdie]

makes sense. the voters saddled DJT with SanFranNan and her huge socialist majority; they had to expect what was going to happen next.

myself, I think that some of the choices that the electorate makes is incontrovertible proof that democracy simply doesn’t work.

[Rashputin]

Ha yes, we serfs must ensure that the chosen few who serve the Nobility never suffer due as a consequence of the actions of the Nobles.

[antidemoncrat]

“But for federal workers who are furloughed or required to work without a paycheck, a lapse in government funding can cause financial problems, leading some to default on debt or miss rent payments”

But that all got their back pay didn’t they. If they can’t go 30 days without going to a food bank, maybe they are living beyond their means. Ave pay for gov. workers is $84,000. They make a lot more pay than the average private citizens doing the same work.

[blueplum]

I disagree with the author. Any govt employee who does not have at least 3 months cash and food is subject to exploitation and so, a security risk. These same govt employees who preach to The People that we are irresponsible slugs if WE aren’t self-sufficient to last a 3 month hurricane or wildfire cleanup.

What this latest shutdown has shown The People is, in the event of a true emergency, we will not have an effective government because we have public servants who cannot go two weeks without a check or who are so self-important they refuse to work without a paycheck. And then there’s those who demand a bonus for a paycheck delay. A major house-cleaning is in order.

[metmom]

We already do.

We pay taxes.

[a fool in paradise]

Strip the congress critters of travel expenses during shutdowns.

They tried to run away to Europe and China on our dime...

[Vlad The Inhaler]

A case could be made that responsibility for a shutdown belongs squarely on those who finance the campaigns of intransigent democrats and those who vote for them.

[New Perspective]

They can go screw themselves. During my divorce I was still working and trying to pay my bills and did not have health insurance for 9 months until my VA benefits kicked in. Guess what I owe the gov’t mafia- my “Shared responsibility payment” for not having health insurance. No one in DC gave a crap about me even while I paid my taxes.

[plain talk]

What’s next? All government employees are exempt from having to pay back loans?

[Jim W N]

Keep the Government SHUT DOWN.

Then at some point, ONLY reopen the 20% constitutional portion and KEEP THE REST SHUT DOWN.

It would be a great day for America!

[W.]

JSSTB! That is all.

[Amendment10]

As a side note to this thread, please consider the following.

Patriots are reminded that one of the very few powers that the states have expressly constitutionally delegated to the feds to tax and spend for peacetime domestic services is to deliver the US Mail (1.8.7).

So if you continued to receive mail during the shutdown, then for you the federal government effectively remained fully constitutionally operational.

In other words, the “federal” services that were closed during shutdown a few weeks ago are based mostly on state powers and state revenues stolen by the corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification Congress, state revenues stolen by means of unconstitutional federal taxes.

"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States."—Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.



Note that the states, not the feds, should be taxing and spending for custom state versions of constitutionally undefined federal social spending services like Social Security and Medicare.

In fact, the constitutional record shows that Rep. John Bingham, a constitutional lawmaker, had put it this way about the Founding States leaving the care of the people uniquely to the states, again, not the feds.

”... the care of the property, the liberty, and the life of the citizen, under the solemn sanction of an oath imposed by your Federal Constitution, is in the States, and not in the Federal Government [emphases added].” —Rep. John Bingham, Congressional Globe, 1866. (See about middle of 3rd column.)

Justice Brandeis had put it this way.

• "It is one of the happy incidents of the federal system that a single courageous State may, if its citizens choose, serve as a laboratory; and try novel social and economic experiments without risk to the rest of the country.” — Justice Brandeis, Laboratories of democracy.

• Note that the constitutional limit on states as laboratories of democracy is that each state must provide the people a republican form of government (4.4), cannot establish privileged / protected classes (1.10.1), or abridge constitutionally enumerated rights (Amendment 14, Section 1).

So the “federal” shutdown was a government-manufactured crisis / hoax imo, anti-PDJT Democrats and RINOs undoubtedly hoping the crisis would make PDJT look bad.

Trump job approval up 7 points after shutdown: Gallup

The remedy for unconstitutionally big federal government …

Patriots need to support PDJT by electing new patriot lawmakers to Congress in the 2020 elections that will not only promise to support PDJT's vision for MAGA, but will also promise to surrender state powers back to the states, including putting a stop to unconstitutional federal taxes.

And in order to make the surrender of state powers and stopping of illegal federal taxes permanent, patriots also need to support PDJT in leading the states to repeal the 16th and ill-conceived 17th Amendments.

[qaz123]

How and why are these people considered Representatives of the people?

[clearcarbon]

"Democrats in Congress believe that private citizens and businesses should bear the ill consequences of government shutdowns that put furloughed federal workers in financially precarious positions."

Private citizens and businesses already bear the ill consequences of government when it is not shutdown. I wonder how many citizens democrats have killed so far with obamacare.

[Myrddin]

I can see a fairly simple legal way around this. If you want to incur debt as a government employee, you sign away your right to prosecute the credit or you don't get the loan. If the feds attempt to prevent that protection, they can expect credit to dry up. The reward of interest on a loan is a poor trade for imprisonment. No deal.

[Myrddin]

I can see a fairly simple legal way around this. If you want to incur debt as a government employee, you sign away your right to prosecute the creditor or you don't get the loan. If the feds attempt to prevent that protection, they can expect credit to dry up. The reward of interest on a loan is a poor trade for imprisonment. No deal.

[robowombat]

This is an attempt to have a civil service version of the Serviceman;s Civil Relief Act. It keeps surfacing but never goes anywhere. If K Street could manage it they would get the military relief act voided.