Posted on 02/14/2019 6:45:02 AM PST by marktwain
The Houston Police Department has released the inventory of items seized during the execution of the no-knock raid where 59-year-old Dennis Tuttle and his wife, 58-year-old Rhogena Nicholas were shot and killed. The raid occurred on January 28, 2019.
The married couple of 20 years died in a gun battle with police where four officers were wounded, and one was injured while taking cover.
The couple had no criminal records. They had occupied the house for 20 years. Rhogena was as a supporter of President Trump. Dennis was a Navy veteran.
The gun battle started when the police broke down their door and shot their dog. The wife, Rhogena, was unarmed when killed. Police claim she was going for a shotgun held by a wounded officer.
There were no body cameras worn on the raid. Neighbor's surveillance video was taken by the police.
The guns listed are unremarkable in every way. They are:
Search Warrant A 20 gauge shotgun is listed as a “Beretta ALS.” I have not found a Beretta of that model, but
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IIRC, the no-knock BS was so perps wouldn’t have a chance to flush the dope. I don’t approve of no-knock warrants under any circumstance. Too often innocent people are involved, and a data entry administrator mistake can cost lives. I, for one, would start shooting like mad if someone busted through my door, I don’t care what they yell, some are going down. You want to talk to me? Knock, identify yourself, and we’ll talk. There is no reason...no reason why a location can’t be staked out and the alleged perp arrested upon leaving. Everybody goes out at some point.
Stupid comment.
Would have much been better if it hit him in the face.
eventually, it’ll happen that a cop comes out to shoot some kid’s dog, and the kid grabs a shotgun and kills the cop.
= = =
See Ruby Ridge, Sammy Weaver, Aug 21, 1992.
Another stupid comment.
That’s it. My dad bought me one in 1970, when I was 13.
Well this is outrageous beyond all possible belief!
If a cop ain’t stupid, or corrupt, he will cover for those that are. Show me one that ever turned out a bad cop before they did damage. My guess 1 in a thousand? That too high?
I see it a bit differently. The dog bought the armed homeowner enough time to shoot he man that just broke down his door and shot his dog.
Unfortunately, it turned out to be an officer that was part of an undercover narcotics group on a no-knock raid.
Consequently, everyone in the house was killed.
The police chief, Acevedo said officers "started laying down cover fire"
"After we had two officers down and another shot, the remaining officers ... started laying down cover fire, left positions of cover themselves and, I believe, they heroically pulled their fellow officers out of harm's way," Acevedo said.
I am not surprised everyone in the house was killed.
To be clear, Chief Acevedo's stories about the incident have changed considerably with time.
I will leave my thoughts from the original raid thread here.
“No knock warrants are dangerous, of dubious constitutionality (not legal for this instance until 1995), and should only be reserved for the most severe cases. In ‘81 only 3000 no knock warrants were signed. In ‘05 alone 50,000 no knock warrants were signed and carried out. A number which has certainly grown since then.
I personally do not care about the people in question, nor this particular raid in general. I care about the rights of my fellow Americans, and the seemingly constant eroding of those rights under the guise of safety, or for our own good, or for the children. I reject those arguments outright.”
And this quote, which I found somewhere (not sure of the author).
“Police-state style assault forces being used to violently enter a persons residence when that person is not actively engaged in violent acts are incompatible with life in a free society.
As it is better a hundred guilty go free than one innocent person be imprisoned. So too is it better a hundred guilty destroy evidence of their guilt than one innocent person’s life be risked or worse ended by an extremely violent breach of the peace initiated by agents of the State.”
What’s stupid about it? My brother in law cop in Amarillo carried a throw down gun wrapped in Saran wrap, told me all the guys had them.
These no-knock raids should be banned except in very rare circumstances and then there should be a civilian body that reviews and approves them first.
That may as well be the last line of the article, because after you read it you know the whole story.
“started laying down covering fire”
Wow, just wow. Did the officers put out flanking elements? Call in 105mm artillery? Call up the 60 mike-mikes?
This is ridiculous, and shows the mindset of the officers. They are not combat troops, they are the servants of the people. There is a reason why troops cannot be deployed on our soil.
This is a big problem, and one that many have been mentioning for quite some time. Our current police forces are acting more and more like a military outfit, and that is exactly what the founders meant to prevent.
Good point, but applying logic with Goonman62 is not practical. His role in these discussions is always Thread Douche.
There's no deviating from that.
In my area, the daily uniform for many is OD fatigues with their pants bloused into their (cheap-ass) tac-boots - like their gigged for a fire-fight.
They go to work looking to play soldier.
Yeah, dressed for it, but when push came to shove the cowards of Broward hid behind cars and in stairwells while children were being murdered.
A couple decades of war, and you have a lot of ex-military guys gravitating towards jobs, like LE, with a culture that somewhat mirrors military culture. I assume the culture and dress have become more military-esque as a result. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, boots and fatigues are far more practical for daily wear, especially with the possibility of sudden physical exertion, than creased pants and lugged dress shoes.
My thoughts too - the ALS is a locking holster for concealed carry of handguns.
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