Posted on 02/12/2019 10:21:21 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
There's a huge 2020 Democratic field forming for the chance to take on President Trump. Two more candidates officially announced over the weekend – Sens. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota and Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts.
And while those two potentially embody the core split within the Democratic primary – pragmatism vs. pugilism – Trump will be waiting in the general election with another distinction he hopes to make: "socialism" vs. "greatness."
"The Democrat Party has never been more outside of the mainstream," Trump said in El Paso, Texas, on Monday night in what was his first campaign rally of 2019. "They're becoming the party of socialism, late-term abortion, open borders and crime."
It's a message he began trying out a week ago during his State of the Union address. He tied the unrest in Venezuela to domestic U.S. politics.
"Here in the United States, we are alarmed by the new calls to adopt socialism in our country," he said. "America was founded on liberty and independence, and not government coercion, domination and control. We are born free, and we will stay free. Tonight, we renew our resolve that America will never be a socialist country."
The denunciation of socialism and the attempt to tie the philosophy to Democrats is Trump's and his campaign's attempt to invert the argument that he is an extremist. The president's sluggish approval rating means he is going to have to try and pull Democrats down with him - and given that surveys also show he would lose at this point to a generic Democrat, Trump also needs to show their candidates to be unelectable and out of step with the rest of America.
"He's the first president to never crack 50 [percent approval] in his first two years," said Bruce Mehlman, a Republican strategist and attorney who worked as an assistant secretary in the Commerce Department for technology policy. "The resistance is really energized, and that's part of why you saw the highest midterm turnout since 1914 last November. The economy has been really strong, but it's showing some worrisome signs. Mr. Mueller's report and/or Democratic oversight will likely make the waters choppier. And voters want change."
Republicans tried a version of Trump's inversion strategy to no avail in the 2018 midterm elections. They tried to paint Democrats as wanting to abolish ICE (the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency) and create single-payer health care.
Republicans said if the election turned out to be about that, as opposed to a more nuanced discussion of border security and pre-existing conditions, they felt they could win or hold their own. It didn't happen. Instead, in an election where Trump was front of mind, Democrats won over suburban voters and independents, and took back the House by flipping 40 seats.
In 2020, Trump gets to try to make the argument himself. And people close to him think he can make a winning one.
"At the end of the day, politics and elections are typically binary choices," said Andy Surabian, who worked in the 2016 Trump campaign war room, was political director for Tea Party Express and is now a political adviser to Donald Trump Jr. "The biggest gift to Trump is for Democrats to nominate what I call a 'kneeler,' someone who supports kneeling for the national anthem."
Mehlman added: "If the Dems are able to nominate a presidential nominee that appeals to the middle of the country, that's going to be very powerful. But if they go hard left, there is a path for Donald Trump to get re-elected."
It is, in theory, an advantage a president has when he's up for re-election with a locked-down base and no primary opposition - yet. His potential Democratic opponents will have to outflank each other, and that often can mean being the most stridently progressive (or conservative, in GOP primaries).
Already, many of the Democrats running or thinking about it are embracing Medicare-for-all and the Green New Deal. Both of those ideas have been put forward by the party's two highest-profile democratic socialists - Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent who caucuses with the Democrats, and New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
This is a fairly new debate to be taking place within the mainstream of the Democratic Party rather than at the fringes. Sanders caught fire in the 2016 primary race and gave a surprisingly strong challenge to Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton. Sanders didn't prevail, but the boldness of his ideas did.
It's going to be interesting to see how Democrats walk and define the line when it comes to socialism. The word makes many Americans - and some Democrats, especially older ones - uncomfortable.
A remarkable shift has happened in just the past decade, since the 2008 financial collapse - more Democrats now have a positive view of the word "socialism" (57 percent) than "capitalism" (43 percent), Gallup found last year.
That diverges from the country overall, as only slightly more than a third (37 percent) of Americans have a positive view of socialism. Socialism also rates lowest when people are asked about it in a list that includes small business, entrepreneurs, free enterprise, capitalism, big business and even the federal government. Since Trump's election, however, socialism is the only one on that list to gain popularity.
There is a huge generational divide: A majority of young people, those aged 18 to 29, see socialism positively and have a dimmer view of capitalism. Older Americans have a more sharply negative view of the term - 41 percent of those aged 30 to 49, 30 percent of those aged 50 to 64 and just 28 percent of those 65 and older view it positively.
This younger generation, after all, are not Cold War kids. Someone who is 29 was born the year before the fall of the Iron Curtain. The word socialism just doesn't have the same meaning for them as for those who lived through the nearly 50-year, post-World War II arms race with the Soviet Union and the underlying debate over the ideal society.
As viewed by Americans, that debate was between the free, capitalistic West on one side and the repressive communism and socialism of the USSR on the other.
Some Democrats are trying to find more nuance. Sen. Brian Schatz of Hawaii, for example, sparked an interesting debate on the left with his tweet that he's "not a socialist" but does "believe that every American deserves health care," that "college should be debt free, and that America must lead boldly on climate change."
And Schatz may be on to something. When younger voters respond positively to "socialism" in polls, they're not saying they want the country to become like Venezuela or Cuba. To them, "socialism" is synonymous with a strong social safety net and an economy where big banks and billionaires pay - proportionately - their fair share in taxes.
President Trump is moving aggressively to define the Democrats as old-fashioned, Cold War-style socialists. Now, it's up to the Democrats to define what it is they are for.
Much of the difference comes down to semantics - the wording and view of what socialism really is.
The problem, though, is nuance doesn't usually play well in campaigns, especially in primaries.
Just another example of this truth...
If Russia were still the USSR the Dems would be celebrating Trump not trying to impeach him.
“Fooling people is essential to Dems success at the polls.”
That is so 90’s, Freee-dame! They rely on early and continual voting to fraudulently steal elections now. If we do not ensure this stops before the 2020 election, we will lose Wisconsin, Florida and Michigan. (Pennsylvania? It is weird enough, who knows whether fraud accounts for their voting or not! LOL!)
She took something so simple, that is, President Trump hates socialism, has no time for it, and turned it into a 1M word document which I have not read, but which makes no sense at all except to another lame-brain “progressive”...
which is why I didn’t read it.
In the 50s they laughed at William F. Buckley, Richard Nixon and others for saying Stalin and Soviets had agents here undermining us, sabotaging us and leaking our secrets-—while Stalin was a harmless old uncle over there. Black singer Paul Robeson and Pete Seeger supported the Commies.Later: tens of millions were found to have been deliberately sgarved to death in the Soviet Union by diversion of food trucks and trains away from opposition held areas Stalin hated. Also death camps and murder squads killing millions. Some uncle.
More laughs to come: silly American right wingers believed Mao was a mass murderer and so was Fidel Castro. Folk singers,movie stars, night club comics, college teachers and columnists laughed at the stupid alarmist conservatives. Little Red Book Mao books popular on campuses. The right wingers were right; tens of millions were killed by attacks within China and against Tibetans and others by Maoists.
The anti-Trump laughter at these NPR cocktail parties and CNN gatherings of the elites must be deafening. They will see how wrong they, too, were about the commies.
“Trump’s ‘Socialism’ Attack On Democrats Has Its Roots In Cold War Fear”
Says the people that think that Trump is a Russian agent.
So “Socialism” is just a scare word. Yes. Hmmm. But the Social Democrats themselves make loud use of it, proclaim themselves socialists and promote classic socialist programs and concepts..
Wake up, Mara. You’ve been asleep for 30 years. Understand that you have ALWAYS been a dimwit. Commie Rats are screaming “Socialism!!!” at the top of their lungs.
You are either very stupid, which is a distinct possibility, or you are a devious, lying co-conspirator, or maybe a little of both.
“The goal of socialism is communism.” - Vladimir Lenin
NEVER, EVER forget that.
So if you werent alive in the Cold War you never felt the evil influence of socialism. I wasnt alive in WW2,yet I know the evils of Nazism and Japanese militarism. I wasnt alive in 1795 yet I know the evil of The Terror. I wasnt alive in the 20s yet I know the harm done by unchecked organized crime and govt corruption. What Mara is saying though she may not be aware is the millenials are uneducated, ignorant, self entitled jerks.
“National Propaganda Radio has to try to spin the truth that socialism fails every time it is tried.”
It does so by saying “true socialism hasn’t been tried yet” and “so far, the wrong people have been in charge” and “the USSR, Mao, Pol Pot, and Kim Il-Sung must not be used to define the essence of socialism” (omitted are Ho Chi Minh & Fidel Castro; those are still gods to the Left).
Oh Mara, Venezuela felt the same thing i’m sure. But the history of socialism being tried has repeatedly ended with the same results. Lust for power eventually takes over freedoms and liberties equal totalitarianism, misery war, famine, complete destruction of the civil society.
Mara plays a moderate on the Fox Snooze panel. This reveals her true identity.
Phonetically and ideologically, her name is Mara Lies Some (understatement).
righton old player
and don’t forget staurt chase - the author of ‘the new deal’
How about the history of wrecked nations and destroyed lives that experiments in socialism have littered the world with?
uhh….no, it has to do with the fact that the Democrats are proposing SOCIALISM!
Too obvious for a journ-o-list I guess.
What an unoriginal talking point. This type of Alinsky propaganda is just rehashed over and over. This filth caters to the idiots schooled in the leftist madrasas called public schools and cesspool internet.
Young Democrats don’t understand the evil of totalitarianism. They crave it.
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yup
Trump’s ‘Socialism’ Attack On Democrats Has Its Roots.....In Reality
Mara’s wild glittering eyes bespeak the Stalinist behind them. If disarmed patriots were being marched into reeducation camps, she’d be at the main gate applauding with great satisfaction.
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