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To: NoLibZone

My Irish Catholic indentured servant ancestors, the McGinnis family, arrived at the Livingston plantation south of Rensselaer, NY in 1720...

Every male in the family 10 and up had to work for the Livingstons until age 21 to pay back the passage costs etc...

At age 21 they were free from their obligation and could strike out on their own...They were not slaves but servants for an arranged period......

My ancestor, Timothy McGinnis became a fur trapper and a trader, and a very rich man...

Indentured servants were never slaves...

The black African slaves were never indentured servants they were slaves for life...

My family travelled from Ireland as passengers on a ship free to move around on the deck and in the cabin area...probably steerage...

African slaves were chained up spoon fashion for most of the trip and hardly saw the light of day...many of them died on the ‘middle passage’


34 posted on 02/10/2019 7:11:37 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Actually it was prudent for a slaver to rotate cargo to the deck for sunshine and clean up etc

Keeping cargo alive meant more profit

There is a book on this by Hugh Crow dates I think from 1830

Course it’s dismissed in today’s climate


94 posted on 02/10/2019 10:48:05 PM PST by wardaddy (Progressive winter is coming.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

What you describe for slaves came later.

The first Africans brought were as indentured servants, bought from other Africans who had captured them as war-booty. They were literate Christians, with specific obligations that went both ways.

The slavery began later in the 17th century, and it took a while store the industrial shipment of slaves was developed.


171 posted on 02/12/2019 1:02:33 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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