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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The shutdown is about to get a lot uglier. No way in hell Pelosi allows herself to be treated like this. Whatever chance there might have been to get some sort of agreement on the wall has likely been shelved for quite some time.


34 posted on 01/17/2019 3:58:13 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: CatOwner
The shutdown is about to get a lot uglier. No way in hell Pelosi allows herself to be treated like this. Whatever chance there might have been to get some sort of agreement on the wall has likely been shelved for quite some time.

So if only Trump would be nice to Nancy she would give him the wall?

Seriously?

47 posted on 01/17/2019 4:03:18 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Democracy dies when Democrats decide only elections they win are valid.)
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OR, she and UpChuck Schumer figure out that they are losing this, and they’d better look for their “exit strategy”....


51 posted on 01/17/2019 4:05:06 PM PST by Trump_the_Evil_Left (FReeper formerly known as Enchante (registered Sept. 5, 2001), back from the wild....)
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To: CatOwner

The shutdown is about to get a lot uglier. No way in hell Pelosi allows herself to be treated like this. Whatever chance there might have been to get some sort of agreement on the wall has likely been shelved for quite some time.

<<>>

Trump still has the RIF card to play...


65 posted on 01/17/2019 4:10:31 PM PST by Joe Bfstplk (How unfortunate tarring and feathering was abandoned.)
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To: CatOwner

Actually, this can be a great negotiating tactic when dealing with certain types of people (sociopaths).

If you humiliate them badly enough they will make a deal just to end the suffering. She lost face big time—and won’t want it to happen again.

That must be Trump’s read of Nancy—I trust his analysis on this one.


92 posted on 01/17/2019 4:23:41 PM PST by cgbg (Hidden behind the social justice warrior mask is corruption and sexual deviance.)
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To: CatOwner
Of course the conflict is going to ramp up; it has long been overdue. The domestic enemies have been on the offensive for 50 years. It's a credit to the nation's institutional resilience that the republic still exists at all. But the time is drawing near that the imminent death blow is being readied if the tide isn't turned.

The time is now, and this is the hill to die on. If we lose this battle, we lose the country. Trump has absolutely nothing to lose. He could even keep the government shut down leading up to the 2020 election. The battle(s) are being waged on the margins. No way the DNC doesn't fund the DoD and primary social services.

Rather, it's all about the 20% of the budget that is somewhat discretionary. So, the race is on to find out who can dish out and handle the pain: government workers, or the private sector inconvenienced with curtailed public services like the TSA. The problem for proglibs is that this is devolving into a classic business decision process, which is absolutely in Trump's wheelhouse. Once can imagine top DNC advisors worrying about violating one of Alinsky's key mandates, which is never to go outside one's experience.

As a result, Trump is faced with classic substitution tactics, such as privatizing various functions like the aforementioned TSA. Once he goes down this path, as well as starting to issue RIFs on furloughed and redundant "workers", he will have no incentive whatsoever to negotiate under terms that aren't absolutely advantageous to his position.

What this showdown really illustrates is that both sides possess certain strengths. The government knows how to play the lawfare game (courts, DOJ/FBI, etc), but Trump knows how to play the media & business game. Why the proglibs gave up their natural advantage is probably due to the fact that Mueller doesn't have anything at all. So, now they thought they could politicize the budget shutdown, not realizing that it was trivial for Trump to reverse the effect and box it in as a business challenge.

Either way, these are all subsidiary theaters vying for control in order to determine final outcome of the country: one with borders and controlled demographics, or one wide open to a foreign invasion and defeat of existing constitutional foundations.

98 posted on 01/17/2019 4:25:58 PM PST by semantic
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To: CatOwner

The shutdown is about to get a lot uglier. No way in hell Pelosi allows herself to be treated like this. Whatever chance there might have been to get some sort of agreement on the wall has likely been shelved for quite some time.
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Well beyond 30 days.... RIF


101 posted on 01/17/2019 4:34:38 PM PST by Neidermeyer (Show me a peaceful Muslim and I will show you a heretic to the Koran.)
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To: CatOwner

Dead wrong. The Democrats were always going to throw everything at keeping the border wide open no matter what it took.


109 posted on 01/17/2019 4:38:55 PM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: CatOwner

...and I’m guessing it’s by design.


133 posted on 01/17/2019 5:04:14 PM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: CatOwner

It was shelved by Nazi and Chuck U. Long before this. Please try and keep up.


136 posted on 01/17/2019 5:09:21 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: CatOwner

It might be Trumps plan to get her so crazy that she does something stupid.


157 posted on 01/17/2019 5:44:39 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: CatOwner

Yup......This could get really bad.


170 posted on 01/17/2019 6:19:50 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: CatOwner
The shutdown is about to get a lot uglier. No way in hell Pelosi allows herself to be treated like this. Whatever chance there might have been to get some sort of agreement on the wall has likely been shelved for quite some time.

Trump said he was OK with it taking a year.

So am I, even the most dunderheaded non-essential federal employee will have self-RIFed after 52 weeks without a paycheck!

That's one way to shrink this bloated government!

180 posted on 01/17/2019 6:34:50 PM PST by null and void (For a civil society, teach Civics!)
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All hail Toregene !
She is the leader of the hordes.
Leader of the Mongols.
First female supreme ruler.
The Great Khatun of the Mongol Empire.
And if you want to know what she will do next, just read the original story. It is deja vu all over again.

Toregene - The Rejected Princess

197 posted on 01/17/2019 7:16:55 PM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: CatOwner

+. It is going to escalate dramatically today(Friday). Rumor is Schmucky is about to lose it also. Should be a fun day.


211 posted on 01/17/2019 11:29:05 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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