Competent USC PhDs are snapped up lightning fast in this field. I believe this is one of the few levels of industry where there truly is a shortage of qualified USC applicants for the needs of industry.
Not in industry...perhaps in academia—at least not for CHemical Engineering PhDs...No waltzing in...competition is tough these days...I know because my son did not “waltz” into a good PhD program with well-funded assistantship**—and yet he graduated w/BS from a top school and had perfect GRE score...He did not have a particularly easy time finding good entry level PhD position in industry during the Obama years either. I know his pay, and I believe it would be higher if there were fewer foreigners working for less.
I see from your post, it seems very likely you are in academia...So sort of makes sense that you would be supporting interests of foreign grad students. As I noted in another post, at UofIllinois, (one of the top engineering schools) Chinese students are RECRUITED by recruiters who go to CHINA to recruit—UofIllinois is known as Univ of Illinois-China at Champaign-Urbana as they have the highest Chinese Student enrollment are recently insured themseves for $400,000 loss due to potential trade war issues...****The Chinese students pay full ride undergrad —at state schools— state schools which find the full-ride out-of-state tuition that Chinese pay to be far more lucrative than the in-state tuition paid by Illinois residents. Though student seats are capped, Student visas are UNLIMITED, so lots of cash coming in.***
From what you say, because foreign students need longer to finish dissertation and publishing, they should be entitled to stay longer through VISA extensions?
With all due respect, IMHO, foreign students should not apply for PhD programs if they cannot secure a student VISA that grants enough time for research, publishing, etc...Why don’t they get a PhD in India or China? Well, as I worked in a graduate students office in college of engineering at a major university, I know the answer—India and China don’t have nearly the number of PhD level programs that the US does...Perhaps Maybe they need to bit the bullet and pay more to establish additional programs...
My son w/PhD in Chem E had a 4-year undergrad scholarship—if he did not graduate in 4 years, he would have to pay full out-of-state-tuition for any additional ...He sucked it up and graduated in 4 years because that is what he needed to do...
I think foreign students should have to do the same...Many US Citizen grad students run out of funding and cannot finish—it is sad but reality, and no concessions are made for them. Again, why does everyone care about the foreign grad students interests and less so for the US Citizen students?
Your profile says you are from New Jersey. My computer engineering son works in San Jose for a large company, so I will take his information that foreign workers have bent the pay curve over the past decade+ over your post. He is in industry in the “hot” area and he is the only Caucasian US citizen in his group.
We disagree, but then I have kids who are competing with foreign workers—universities (of which I am pretty sure you are a part) you have students who are foreign that you want to place, so obviously we would disagree on this.
Fregards
***Another Freeper, a Univ. of Illinois Engr grad said the Chinese students were well known for their cheating (which makes sense as getting ahead by whatever means necessary seems to be a bedrock value of Chinese communist society)...that does not help the more honest US citizens
Technically yes I am in academia, but maybe not in the way you assume...I am finishing my Ph.D. soon and hopefully getting pretty far away from academia as soon as I can. I've been working in industry along the way whenever I've had the chance. Its been a long haul, and I've gained a wife and three little ones along the way :)
The Chinese students pay full ride undergrad...
We are in full agreement on Chinese students...the universities go after them because they pay more, and they are notorious for cheating and acting like a mafia to do it (distributing answers, helping each other, etc.).
From what you say, because foreign students need longer to finish dissertation and publishing, they should be entitled to stay longer through VISA extensions?
I think maybe you misunderstood me. Student visas (F1) grant status for the duration of your program, so as long as you are enrolled full time in an accredited program, you may remain on F1...of course you can't work outside the university etc. So, as long as a Ph.D. student manages to secure funding, they can stay.
My other comment was in the context of H1B...another poster asked why highly qualified people with Ph.Ds cannot use another immigration vector if they are so qualified. I said that such a thing exists in the form of "alien with extraordinary ability" status, but that practically it requires a ton of publications and a level of academic standing that is very hard to attain JUST during your Ph.D. study tenure...this is where H1B comes in for these people.
He sucked it up and graduated in 4 years because that is what he needed to do...I think foreign students should have to do the same...
Fully agree. I also had a limited term scholarship for undergrad and busted my ass to complete my BS on time...see my previous point, I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying about time to attain certain academic standing.
Thanks for taking the time to reply, and best wishes.