You claim that Florida and the other states seceded for no reason at all. This is not true and you know it. You could at least say Florida seceded because they wanted to legalize marijuana or because the people of that state wanted open borders, and then provide a source. But, no, you refer me to a source that doesn’t give a reason.
This is quite a bit of license with what I actually said. I never said they had no reasons for seceding, I merely pointed out that only a minority of them mentioned slavery as a significant reason, and that people who make the assertion that this minority speaks for the majority are deliberately misleading people so as to create the illusion that the war was only about slavery.
We were part of a movement that ultimately put an end to it. Would that we had done so peacefully, like Britain did. But we didn’t. For us, it took a civil war.
Lincoln did not launch the war to end slavery. He launched the war for the specific purpose of maintaining economic control over the revenue producing South, and to prevent Southern industries from using the additional capital that independence would give them to build competing industries to the northern power barons that were his financial backers for the Presidency.
Lincoln was a "mercantilist", and the South was producing the vast bulk of all the revenue collected by the Federal government, and so his money supply was trying to get away, and he wasn't going to let that happen.
Lincoln wasn't trying to stop slavery. In fact he condoned the creation of a new constitutional amendment to strengthen legalized slavery in an effort to keep his money supply from running away.
Lincoln was literally supporting efforts to keep slaves in chains indefinitely. He only chose to announce his policy of freeing them when he believed it could best serve the effort to subdue the South. He did not attempt to free the slaves then under his control in the North.
I see you don’t like being called a liar. But, I was quoting your words. Hence the rabbit ears about the words “lying” and “lie.” In any case, we do have something in common.
I can read. I read the item to which you referred me concerning Florida. It didn’t give a reason. You have been given multiple opportunities to provide documentary evidence that Florida, a state you brought up, didn’t secede because of slavery.
I provided documentary evidence about Texas (which is the original subject of this thread). That documentary evidence explicitly states that that state seceded because of slavery. This is no longer a debate. You are asking people to believe you instead of there own eyes. A few other states provided documentary evidence such as did Texas as to their reasons for seceding, other states weren’t so clear.
As to whether there were other reasons, I have already said that the conflict between the increasingly rich and populous north, with its capitalist system, versus the slave-based plantation system of the south, was also a cause. The dominance of the north, and not merely the tariff, was also a cause. The dominance of the north was going to end the southern system. This is what was “Gone with the Wind.”
Capitalism was ending slavery and that was a very good thing.
As to Lincoln trying to avoid a war: The civil war cost us almost one man dead for every person freed. Living as I do in Virginia, I have friends who have relatives who died in that war. At a funeral of a friend, I saw the graves of those in his family who died in that war. (As a grandson of immigrants, there are no multi-generation burial plots in my family.) Lincoln’s long-run strategy with peace was to keep slavery out of the territories, admit additional free states, continue to welcome immigrants as free citizens, and appoint Republicans to the federal courts. Even as the war got started, he thought a quick victory could restore the status quo antebellum. As long as the union was preserved, the end of slavery would have been inevitable. But a long and costly war wasn’t avoided.
The war and its heavy toll changed Lincoln. He entered office as something of a deist. He started attending Wednesday night Bible study. His letters increasingly referred to the Bible. In his second inaugural, he touched on the ratio of the casualties to those who would be freed. For every drop of blood taken by the whip, another would be taken by the sword. He saw this as God’s judgement.
Now, at this point, I am going to imagine that you are unable to deal with the enormity of the civil war because of those casualties, because so many young men, in the prime of their life, died. Not only killed, but having to kill other men so much like them. All I will say about this, having been a soldier myself, is that I wonder how anybody can be an atheist. How do they deal with the unjust and senseless pain and death that constitutes so much of life? There are times I am hardly able to deal with it myself.
You have no quotes from Lincoln saying anything remotely like that.
You have only your own opinions to support your unwarranted speculations.