God! I keep seeing this lie repeated over and over again. About three or four states made secession statements claiming slavery as an issue, but the other 8 did not.
It suits the revisionism people have been taught to claim these 3 or 4 spoke for all 11 states of the Confederacy.
How about you show me where in the Virginia secession statement it claims secession was over slavery? Hmmmm????
Only then was the invasion moral.
You can't make an immoral action "moral" after the fact, especially when it was clear they never had any intentions of doing this when they first invaded, and did in fact do so only for political and military benefit to themselves.
They didn't free the slaves because they loved black people, they freed the slaves because they hated the people who owned them. What's more, they didn't free any slaves in the Union, so it was just a lot of hypocritical posturing.
Let’s see. About “lying,” you yourself “lie” because you agree with me that Texas, the state giving rise to this thread, said itself that was seceding because of slavery, Also, because you said “other states” said the same thing. You say three or four other states also said this. As you say, once you are immoral, you can’t be moral again.
You claim that Florida and the other states seceded for no reason at all. This is not true and you know it. You could at least say Florida seceded because they wanted to legalize marijuana or because the people of that state wanted open borders, and then provide a source. But, no, you refer me to a source that doesn’t give a reason.
Florida had to have a good reason to secede because it was a debt-repudiator. Back in those days, countries that repudiated debt opened themselves up to “gunboat diplomacy.” But, as a state of the U.S., Florida was protected by the Union. The British considered invading Florida (and Arkansas and Mississippi), but they didn’t want to tangle with the entire Union, most of the states of which honored their debts instead of spouting off about states’ rights and repudiating their debts.
I being a Christian, believe in repentance and forgiveness. So, I can think that people, individually and collectively, can right themselves. Go from being immoral to being moral. You, on the other hand, think once you are immoral, you can’t change and become moral. Brother, I invite you to an altar call.
Consider the immorality of slavery. And, in particular, Ex. 21:16. Chattal slavery is a capital offense. But, through all of history, this form of slavery was commonplace. We did not, as a nation, invent this form of slavery. We were part of a movement that ultimately put an end to it. Would that we had done so peacefully, like Britain did. But we didn’t. For us, it took a civil war. In that war, we put as many people into the ground as we freed. The scars of that war and of its aftermath remain with us to this day. And who got killed in that war? The military-age men on whom each side called. The very flower of the nation.
I believe that I and my son will one day be joined with my father and my uncles (sorry, that’s my only lineage in this country) and all others who have risen to the defense of their country (the goodness of this is also found in the Bible) who fought with honor. My father once brought me to Arlington and said to me this is the happy hunting grounds of soldiers. He had the honor to guard the tomb of the unknown back in his day. I believe there will be peace in the valley one day.
But, until that day comes, we need a President like Trump, who understands the enormous cost of war, and keeps us out of war except if and when that is absolutely necessary and then who prosecutes war with fury.
DiogenesLamp: "God!
I keep seeing this lie repeated over and over again.
About three or four states made secession statements claiming slavery as an issue, but the other 8 did not."
Says one of the greatest liars on Free Republic.
So... every state which declared reasons for secession before Fort Sumter said slavery was their number one issue, if not their only reason.
Five states said slavery:
Even South Carolina's Robert Rhett, who spent three short paragraphs complaining about taxes spent four long paragraphs on slavery.
But Rhett's major complaint can be summarized in his own words:
Typical of Democrats then & now.
DiogenesLamp: "It suits the revisionism people have been taught to claim these 3 or 4 spoke for all 11 states of the Confederacy."
Five Deep South states said secession was in whole or part over slavery.
Two Deep South states gave no official "Reasons for Secession" -- Florida & Louisiana.
Four Upper South states refused to secede over slavery, but did secede (as they promised) after Jefferson Davis started Civil War at Fort Sumter -- Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee & Arkansas.
DiogenesLamp: "You can't make an immoral action "moral" after the fact, especially when it was clear they never had any intentions of doing this when they first invaded, and did in fact do so only for political and military benefit to themselves."
When Confederates formally declared war on the United States, May 6, 1861, all issues of "morality" disappeared, just as they did in 1941.
Their declaration of war is what sealed the Confederates' fate.
DiogenesLamp: "They didn't free the slaves because they loved black people, they freed the slaves because they hated the people who owned them.
What's more, they didn't free any slaves in the Union, so it was just a lot of hypocritical posturing."
Complete nonsense -- Republican abolitionists believed slaves should be freed because they met the Declaration's definition in "all men are created equal", not out of hatred for white Southerners.
Of course, "contraband of war" was a separate matter -- a military necessity which reduced Confederate man-power and increased Union man-power in one act.
It was not a matter of "hatred" but of defeating the rebellion.
As for Union slaves, most were freed by Union states (Maryland, Missouri, West Virginia) by the time of Appomattox, the rest soon after and the balance of about 10% (in Kentucky & Delaware) by the 13th Amendment in December 1865.
Here is a nice analysis of Deep South "reasons for secession" documents.