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Teddy Roosevelt died 100 years ago today
1/6/2019

Posted on 01/06/2019 12:01:17 PM PST by Borges

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To: cephalopod

An another along the same line.

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.” — Theodore Roosevelt


21 posted on 01/06/2019 12:51:57 PM PST by cephalopod (I am a Viking of some note, Knut's my name and here I float.)
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To: SkyDancer

There were critical comments but there were also critical comments about FDR. The overwhelming impression was positive.


22 posted on 01/06/2019 12:56:57 PM PST by Borges
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To: Vigilanteman

Today’s “Progressives” are a bastard child of Teddy’s?

The Heritage Foundation, at https://www.heritage.org/political-process/report/theodore-roosevelt-progressive-crusader had this to say, among other things:

“Roosevelt continued until his death to press for Progressive reforms that would move the country closer to the social democracies of Europe.”

Somehow, that looks VERY familiar to at least one “modern” Democrat Socialist goal.


23 posted on 01/06/2019 1:01:03 PM PST by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.)
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To: Borges
Mark Twain on Theodore Roosevelt:

"I think the President is clearly insane in several ways, and insanest upon war and its supreme glories. I think he longs for a big war wherein he can spectacularly perform as chief general and chief admiral, and go down to history as the only monarch of modern times that has served both offices at the same time."

24 posted on 01/06/2019 1:08:58 PM PST by wideminded
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Ever what Custer could have been like if The Battle of the Greasy Grass never occurred? I always thought Theodore Roosevelt would have been about as close as I could figure. I also think Mark Twain was being rather kind to Roosevelt in his analogy.


25 posted on 01/06/2019 1:17:32 PM PST by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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To: Borges

Thing is, bottom line - Burns is a liberal hack. I’ve seen his stuff and it’s all weighted anti conservative pro liberal nonsense.


26 posted on 01/06/2019 1:21:16 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Borges; LS
This is so weird. I just started reading "The Alienist" by Caleb Carr this afternoon without realizing this was exactly the 100th anniversary of Teddy Roosevelt's death.

For those who have not read the book, Chapter One begins just after Teddy's funeral (and then Chapter Two goes back to 1896). This book was recommended by LS (who is about to come out with a book about Reagan) so will ping him here.

27 posted on 01/06/2019 1:23:28 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Taxman
Roosevelt in office was different from Roosevelt out of office. He became more "progressive" after he left the White House. There was actually much continuity between Roosevelt and his successor Taft.

But Roosevelt missed being at the center of the action, and his political allies kept nudging him further left, to the point where he challenged the election bid of Taft, his hand-picked successor. Taft had a legal mind. TR was more combative and aggressive.

28 posted on 01/06/2019 1:23:30 PM PST by x
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To: Borges

And Calvin Coolidge January 5, 1933 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge


29 posted on 01/06/2019 1:28:36 PM PST by SMGFan
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To: wideminded

Twain was right, TR was a warmonger. If he had regained the Presidency in 1913, he’d have charged us into WW1 3 years ahead of time.


30 posted on 01/06/2019 1:30:49 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj ("It's Slappin' Time !")
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To: Borges
I think Tom Beringer really nailed it in 'Rough Riders'.

And of course his son, Theodore Roosevelt Jr. died at age 56 in Normandy. Maybe a heart condition ran in the family.

'We'll start the war from right here!' My Dad landed on Utah Beach.

31 posted on 01/06/2019 1:35:57 PM PST by real saxophonist (One side has guns and training. Other side's primary concern is 'gender identity'. Who's gonna win?)
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To: Borges

Bully! My high school was Theodore Roosevelt high school. I’ve always been a Rough Rider (mascot). I always remember that I should speak softly and carry a big stick.


32 posted on 01/06/2019 1:37:01 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Taxman

He, like President Trump, was a Populist. Unlike Trump he was an extreme conservationist and environmentalist. He set aside millions and millions of US acreage for national parks.


33 posted on 01/06/2019 1:41:39 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: real saxophonist
Maybe a heart condition ran in the family.

One of Teddy's cousins died at 35. Heart trouble, I think.

Interesting family. Lots of skeletons in the cupboard.

34 posted on 01/06/2019 1:43:12 PM PST by x
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To: Responsibility2nd

I am well aware that he did a lot of good things as President. No problems.

Later, when he tried to get elected President again, is when he did the damage to America.

Here is what Wikipedia says about that: “Frustrated with Taft’s conservatism, Roosevelt belatedly tried to win the 1912 Republican nomination. He failed, walked out and founded a third party, the Progressive, so-called “Bull Moose” Party, which called for wide-ranging progressive reforms. He ran in the 1912 election and the split allowed the Democratic nominee Woodrow Wilson to win the election.”

Woodrow Wilson was NOT a good President! He set things in motion that still adversely affect the USA.


35 posted on 01/06/2019 2:09:55 PM PST by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; wideminded

There is a letter in the Taft papers from TR to President Taft in 1910 when there was some agitation at the Mexican border. Roosevelt wrote to Taft demanding that Taft commission him as a Major General, saying he would only serve if it were not “a profitless police duty” and outlining exactly how his command would be set up:

“The division would consist of three brigades of three regiments each.. I have my brigade commanders, colonels, and in many cases majors and captains already in mind….”

Also that year TR went up in a Wright Flyer (a technology he ignored while President) and it was reported that during the flight TR shouted, “War, army, aeroplane, bomb!” and pretended to attack an Army Signals station they passed over.

Pretty funny, in a pathetic way, and not really prescient, as everyone recognized the wartime abilities of airplanes from the start (including Taft who as Sec War promoted the Wright’s efforts). It was more a mark of what Taft observed that TR was “obsessed with his love of war.”


36 posted on 01/06/2019 2:23:39 PM PST by nicollo (I said no!)
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To: Taxman
The keyword in "bastard." Unlike today's progs, TR was a patriotic American who always put America first. Yes, his ego and pro-war tendencies were sadly misguided, but his conservationism and willingness to disrupt the alliance between large monopolies like Standard Oil and elected officials were exactly what was needed at the time.

TR loved the west, a healthy habit acquired from his decade of on and off ranching in western North Dakota. I can't see him wanting to put timber wolves back to feast on local cattle as today's so-called environmentalists do. He'd suggest they either be hunted or keep moving north to areas not suitable for cattle ranching.

37 posted on 01/06/2019 2:47:02 PM PST by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys all aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
TR called Woodrow Wilson a "Byzantine logothete" when he refused to go to war with Germany after the sinking of the Lusitania.

Wilson is probably the only President ever to have been called a Byzantine logothete.

38 posted on 01/06/2019 3:00:59 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Vigilanteman

Agreed.

I wonder if anybody has ever played “What If” Teddy had won in 1912?


39 posted on 01/06/2019 3:01:14 PM PST by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.)
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To: Taxman
We just might ought to damn him with faint praise - he was the first prominent “Progressive,” you know. And, we are still dealing with “Progressives.” How is that particular battle going for us?

Over a century later and we've "progressed" quite a bit.

Progressives don't know when to say enough government control is enough.

Thanks Teddy.

And Sagamore Hill is right down the road from me.

40 posted on 01/06/2019 3:05:36 PM PST by FreeReign
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