Posted on 12/31/2018 7:38:52 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
At a time when the modernisation of the Indian Army's armoured corps is moving at a "snail's pace", Pakistan has drawn up a mega plan to procure nearly 600 modern main battle tanks, including the T-90 from Russia, primarily to bolster its combat prowess along the Line of Actual Control in Jammu and Kashmir, military and intelligence sources said on Sunday. The T-90 is also operated by the Indian Army.
Most of the tanks Pakistan was planning to procure were likely to have features like state-of-the-art computerised fire control system for increased accuracy, and they would be able to hit targets within a range of 3 to 4km, sources told PTI.
Some of the tanks are set to be deployed along the Line of Control and they will have wider features for battlefield effectiveness, they added.
Apart from the battle tanks, the Pakistan Army is also procuring 245 150mm SP Mike-10 guns from Italy. It has already received 120 such guns.
The intelligence sources said Pakistan was eyeing a batch of Russian T-90 battle tanks—the mainstay of the armoured regiments of the Indian Army—and that the move reflects Islamabad's intent to forge a deeper defence engagement with Moscow, which has been India's largest defence supplier for decades.
Pakistan has been holding joint military drills with Russia in the last couple of years besides eyeing to purchase Russian platforms, triggering some concern in New Delhi.
The sources said as part of the ambitious plan to significantly revamp its armoured fleet by 2025, Pakistan has decided to procure at least 360 main battle tanks from leading global manufacturers and produce 220 tanks indigenously with help from China.
We need India’s 1.5+ Billion people to offset Red China’s 1.6 Billion slaves.
Re Pakistan. AT4’s and other anti-tank weapons are great for mountainous theater warfare, and a lot cheaper than buying a tank to counter a tank.
Red China is Pakistan’s key supplier of mass production weapons because they want that “Silk Battle Road” for invading everyone on the continent re Asia Minor.
Russia wants Pakistan as a buyer (i.e. cash), as a potential ally against Red Chinese expansion (ain’t gonna work - RC is closer and more powerful), and as a potential threat to India so India will buy more Russian weapons (cash).
IF someone nukes Pakistan, will anyone else give a damn?
#1. Looks like a modified Abrams.
As Patton once said, “If you’ve seen one tank, you’ve seen them all. My job is to destroy them, not admire them”.
Problem is, everybody at a ball game ,always,dumb and happy.
Still dumb.
I fully support this decision.
All Muslim nutcases should hide their armies in cardboard boxes or whatever is closest to them... these tanks should do fine.
Perhaps we could cut to the chase and sell them coffins with tracks???
Russia is moving its armored force over to the new T-14 Armata that began production in 2016.
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I heard that the T-14 program was cancelled as it was too expensive.
Lol, I see that the Russians were quick to steal the wedge shaped turret design from the Israeli Merkeva tank.
Only if the APS isn’t turned on or is out of ammo. APS is hellishly effective against missiles like Hellfires.
Just remember that most of the military aid is “managed” by their generals, for their usual 50% fee of course.
In Russia, vodka is the key ingredient in all their design meetings. In fact, I think they would prefer to be partly paid in vodka, like how Roman soldiers were partly paid in salt.
They just ordered some: https://thediplomat.com/2018/08/russia-orders-132-t-14-armata-main-battle-tanks-and-t-15-infantry-fighting-vehicles/
The conflicting reports may be classic Russian maskirovka. That said, outside observers have noted that Russia does really seem to be building T-14s and T-15s in addition to modernizing their older tanks. The guess is that they will use the T-14s and T-15s as the tip of the spear in peer combat and the heavily modernized T-90MS’s and T-72B3M/B3M2s will be used to follow up or in brushfire conflicts like Syria - much like we did with the M60s after the Abrams began entering service.
First post to get to the heart of the subject.
Modern APS are making it so you have to throw a lot of ATGMs at a tank in a saturation attack to have a hope of killing it. Second Chechen War generated a lot of reports of front-line ATGMs just vanishing in flight when Arena and other tank APS system swatted them out of the sky. Mass saturation attacks were reported as the only way to get past them.
If you are unfamiliar with the state of the art in vehicle APS, this is a promo video of a live fire demo featuring live RPGs and TOW missiles shot at a Bradley retrofitted with the ***export*** version of the Israeli Trophy APS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTc66S8o1XQ
Keep in mind that this is the retrofitted, unoptimized, dumbed down for export version that the Israelis are willing to sell us. A vehicle built to integrate this would be even better protected - and even this export system includes protection against top down attack.
Truth hurts:
The T-14 Armata tank was billed as the “world's first post-war, third-generation tank.” There was great disappointment, therefore, when the new, high-tech piece of military hardware broke down during a 2015 rehearsal for the Victory Day parade in Moscow and had to be towed with ropes by another vehicle.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-most-spectacular-russian-military-failures-of-all-time-a7493186.html
In May 2018, the Kremlin had announced a new round of budget cuts, slashing annual defense spending by almost 20 percent from the previous year.
But there is also a possibility that these shortfalls have limited the resources to properly develop the T-14, as well. If the design is not mature, it would only make sense for Russia to decide to hold off mass producing the tanks. Otherwise, it could find itself face a “concurrency” dilemma by taking delivery of hundreds of armored vehicles that could need potentially significant and costly upgrades almost immediately.
We can … boost the series production [of the T-14] when needed and stay ahead of our colleagues, so to speak,” Deputy Prime Minister Borisov had claimed in 2017. He also described this as a “trump card” Russia cold play at any time.
These comments are virtually identical to ones he has made regarding the decision to push off large orders of the Su-57 stealth fighter indefinitely. The entire situation seems similar, with the Kremlin having initially expected to have hundreds of the jets in service by 2020 and various developmental and economic troubles instead having left the program in a precarious state.
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/22600/russia-cant-afford-its-new-t-14-armata-tanks-turns-to-updated-older-designs-instead
I have always been disgusted with our support of the Pakistanis, they are our enemies. They openly support the Taliban which they created.
We should move all support to India and hope they crush Pakistan.
That's probably why they are buying from Russia - they've maxed out their Chinese credit card.
Or more likely, this announcement is intended to get more 'free stuff' from China and the US.
As long as the Paks don’t drive their shiny new T-90’s into a bog that the Indians have zeroed with arty, they’ll be fine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khemkara
I heard something similar. The T-14 Armada line is, or will be, shutdown.
Someone might want to remind the USAF of that fact since the Fighter-Pilot Generals are doing all in their power to direct funds to F-22's and F-35's and demobilize it's A-10 Squadron's.
Happy New Year,
TS
Talk to the MCOE and they will tell you all about the great infantry incentives but nothing happening in the world of armor.
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