EMP: Not if, but when

Am Thinker ^ | Dec 277, 2018 | J.M. Phelps

[_Jim]

re: “Thank you. I can’t understand why nothing has been done to harden the grid.”

Based on what knowledge?

Are you a working professional in this field, because, if you are, I’d like to hear your opinion ...

[_Jim]

Document:

"Weather and Environmental Emergencies
. . . . RE Module
Interconnection Training Program PJM State & Member Training Dept"

https://www.pjm-miso.com/~/media/training/nerc-certifications/RE6-weatherenvironmental.ashx

Extract, third page:

Module Objectives

 Explain how severe weather conditions are identified and to describe when it is necessary to provide additional capacity and to staff the necessary generating sites for a future critical period

 Correctly describe what a Solar Magnetic Disturbance and it’s effects on the power system.

 Identify the trigger points for implementing the PJM Solar Magnetic Disturbance procedure.

 Describe the purpose of the Hot and Cold Weather Alerts and identify the trigger points for initiating them.

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AS Glenn Reynolds is prone to say, "Read the whole thing."

[right way right]

If an EMP would effect as many electronic devices as people claim, wouldn’t it stop a lot of beating hearts too?

If it can fry my cars computer, I probably won’t need it anyway, since my hearts electrical system could very well be even more sensitive.

We’re done!

[_Jim]

re: “Only need to take out a few of the big transformers to keep the grid shut down for months or years.”

Wrong.

[familyop]

"Its nice to know we have top men working on this.

I say, Top. Men.

Do you have a degree or something like that in this field?

Just askin ..."

Oh, no. Of course not. I'm only an untouchable low-tech. It's nice to know that one of the ordinary, radical alternating voltage anomalies didn't break the circuit and make the power go down for a while, even though it did. ;-)

In one region, outages of the same kind took weeks to fix. In another, outages caused by the same component failure were fixed within a few hours.

Can the highly degreed masters in charge of designing our society install better switching sooner, or would they hurt their delicate hands? Can the more correct companies in the highly advanced blue states hire girls and people from third world holes soon enough to get the equipment installed? And how long will it take the components to arrive from a country overseas?

So far, companies in some regions are doing a better job with older kinds of components and large pools of American men who are retained for that work. There's no single policy for component design that covers the whole U.S.A. In some states, if necessary, new power plants could be built much more quickly outside of urban areas. In others, I don't think so.

[CodeToad]

The internet nerds have built themselves a narrative from false assumptions, ignorance, and drama queen bravado.

Government nerds want more grant money like the global warming nerds have.

They both sound like Albore who claims we should be out of polar bears and ice caps by now.

[_Jim]

So ... you say you want to be a power transmission engineer.

Okay - have at it.

Video title: Power System Protection - Application of Protective Relays
Youtube title: lesson 5: power transmission line protection in power system
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwzGbaUYVLA

Basic Principles of Protective Relays and Circuit Breakers operation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0InWFFNLxn8

Protective Relaying for Power System Stability
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQP2xK1BLyA

“TestGuy” video series
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLt3gFDNDPo7M-JRIbWNFrsQp7DFXzoLR6

Distance Relays, Device Number=21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in5jMP7DveE

NSI/IEEE Device Numbers and Electric Diagrams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKpLcNwnN8o

-Mind blowing:
Basic Principles of Symmetrical Components
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYj7j5QBlY0

-more mind blowing
Phasor Diagrams of Power System Faults
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xsDFeTOC6w

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6 Electrical Substation Bus Schemes Explained (7:54)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU4y6vsabP4

Substation: From the Outside Looking In. (59:53)
Explains components and “One line diagrams” (ie. schematics for power engineering)
pdf file: http://www.avotraining.com/avo-training/media/Webinars/10-Webinar-Outside-Looking-In.pdf
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCUwtGlEt3U

Webinar - Substation The basics of a substation configuration and its components
http://www.avotraining.com/avo-training/media/Webinars/Webinar-Substation.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_y_tbyU7jA

A Technicians Approach to Phase and Ground Directional Overcurrent Relaying (59:33)
http://www.avotraining.com/avo-training/media/Webinars/11-Webinar-Directional-Overcurrent-Relaying.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxDfx07J68U

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Protective relays — time-overcurrent demonstration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKSHiub_afA

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Video: “Switch, as in, switch energy types (coal->solar)”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj76hJ7XmBM

Climate Science and the Myths of Renewable Energy - FOS Steve Goreham
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtHreJbr2WM

[_Jim]

re: “They both sound like Albore who claims we should be out of polar bears and ice caps by now.”

Yes ... and, “whom to trust?”

[_Jim]

The Ionospheric - this is the “shield” that Mario Rabinowitz (sp?) makes reference to in his paper.

It (the effective layer in the ionosphere) can be visualized in these plots below:

Real-time Ionospheric sounding
https://region6armymars.org/resources/solarweather.php

I make use of this resource on a regular basis, like right now, as I operate 160 meter WSPR at 1838 kHz from my present QTH. (2 min xmit frames, 33% duty cycle over 10 minutes.)

[familyop]

"HOW did they arrive at those field-strength values they “tested” at?

Models."

Yes, models that included exaggerations. Overbuilding is okay, though, and is sometimes a way to spend less capital on fees. ;-)

"Yes, that’s right, models. Like global warming 'figures'.

Models."

Anthropomorphic global warming is another topic brought to us by other highly degreed, but more morally corrupt recipients of donations from affected and morally bankrupt plutocrats, so I'll skip that analogy. Appreciable global warming does happen once in a while, by the way, but those so much more worthy than the rest of us are incorrect about the causes.

[misanthrope]

1. EMP induced damage primarily a concern for devices connected to long, horizontally strung conductors (ex; power lines)

2. All power distribution systems are fused. There’s fuses all over them, from your residential tap transformer to every major connection all the way back to the sub-station and then again to the generator.

3. EMP is real, but it’s potential for damage is wildly exaggerated.

[familyop]

Seriously, I’m glad that engineers are working to improve power system designs against surges caused by airwaves. But plans for rebuilding in nearby cleaner locations after air bursts over power plants and ground bursts in some facilities might be a good idea (ground bursts—downwind considerations).

When one advanced nation has too little will to defend, other, expansionist nations build up and distribute their nuclear weapons forces. That’s happening now.

[familyop]

Yes. If we hear an air raid warning, it might be a good idea to unplug electronic appliances including network cables.

[octex]

Good catch! And, you are correct.

[_Jim]

1. EMP induced damage primarily a concern for devices connected to long, horizontally strung conductors (ex; power lines)

2. All power distribution systems are fused. There’s fuses all over them, from your residential tap transformer to every major connection all the way back to the sub-station and then again to the generator.

3. EMP is real, but it’s potential for damage is wildly exaggerated.

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What is this - a tutorial?

Did you read the EPRI paper by Rabinowitz I posted to RFEngineer further up-thread?

You would have seen those points discussed ...

BTW, re: “There’s fuses all over them, from your residential tap transformer to every major connection all the way back to the sub-station and then again to the generator.”

Uh, no. Not quite. Sure, “expulsion” fuses on the primary side of your local ‘pole pig’, but that’s about it as far as “fuses” go.

Now, go view one of the videos on substation design and layout I posted above. You obviously are unfamiliar with the industry term protective relaying. It involves current “sensing” relays (a holdover term from the early days) AND circuit breakers. Substations are chock full of them. That along with CTs and PTs (or VTs if you prefer).

BUT there is a LOT more to that, involving time delays and “distance” and phase sensing. ALL computer (PLC) driven.

Again - CHECK OUT ONE OF THOSE INFORMATIVE VIDEOS and become educated on this technology.

[DainBramage]

Yes but with no gas pumps running hardly any vehicles will run for long.

[palmer]

I watched the Steve Goreham video and he makes a lot of good points about the ridiculousness of climate alarmism. But then he repeats a half truth I hear from time to time which is "Carbon dioxide is a trace gas. Only four of every 10,000 molecules in our atmosphere are CO2 and the amount that human industry could have added over all of our history is only a fraction of one of those four molecules" https://dailycaller.com/2018/07/04/everything-contributes-to-climate-change-even-your-cat/ The actual fact is human industry produced about 1.2 of those 4 molecules.

He attempts to mislead the unwary here: "Every day, nature puts about 20 times as much carbon dioxide into the atmosphere as all of human industry, and removes about the same amount." Many people repeat the first part and leave out the second, The fact is that mankind's added CO2 is not removed by man or by nature and the rise in CO2 from about 280 to 400 ppm is a manmade rise. The evidence for that is overwhelming, and it is foolish to ignore it.

The reason is very sinple, the planet was CO2-starved before man's changes such as large scale clearing of forests, mainly by burning. The planet reached 150 ppm in last ice age and we are still in a glacial period with geologically low CO2. We need to add more CO2, not just for the minor amount of warming, but to prevent another Little Ice Age (will produce famine as Goreham correctly points out) or a full ice which would kill 99% of the human population.

[palmer]

Thanks for the added details. It does indeed sound like an EMP event that may have produced memory errors to crash your computer.

[palmer]

Anthropomorphic global warming is another topic brought to us

You mean anthropogenic?

[familyop]

Error correction here. Where I wrote...

And the propaganda word, russophilia, has been used in Russian propaganda writing circles for longer than most of you realize.

...the word was intended to be russophobia.

They enjoy the russophilia that we’ve been seeing. ;-)