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To: Baynative

Clearly they won’t be able to stop the filibuster. What is important is that the vote come out a majority, which means we need every republican to vote.

If the vote is not “yes”, then the democrats can say that it is the republican’s fault for putting up a bill that could not even pass.

If there are 50 votes to proceed, then it is clear that only thing shutting down the government is the democrat’s insistance on a SPECIFIC item being taken out of spending, an item that a majority of the people want, and that is entirely non-controversial, to the point where their own argument is that “it is too much money”, not “this wall thing is crazy, we should not have any walls at all”.

Looks like we’ll be waiting a while, since the senators are not actually here yet.


65 posted on 12/21/2018 11:29:13 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Typical Senate is out to lunch.


67 posted on 12/21/2018 11:31:15 AM PST by Mozilla (Truth Is Stranger than Fiction)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

of course, Jeff Flake voted no, not because he opposes a wall, or has any particular concern about spending, but because he really really hates Donald Trump.

And unfortunately he apparently didn’t see the need to leave the capital, so he is here to vote.

But if we get all the other republicans, we’ll have 50 votes, which would win passage with the VP breaking a tie; being a filibuster vote, there is no “tie” to break.


69 posted on 12/21/2018 11:32:47 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

of course, Jeff Flake voted no, not because he opposes a wall, or has any particular concern about spending, but because he really really hates Donald Trump.

And unfortunately he apparently didn’t see the need to leave the capital, so he is here to vote.

But if we get all the other republicans, we’ll have 50 votes, which would win passage with the VP breaking a tie; being a filibuster vote, there is no “tie” to break.


70 posted on 12/21/2018 11:32:48 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
" What is important is that the vote come out a majority, which means we need every republican to vote."

Corker and Heller will join Flake in "grudge" voting to stop Trump and Lord knows what is going on with Hatch.

72 posted on 12/21/2018 11:34:31 AM PST by Baynative ("A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams." - John Barrymore)
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