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‘Mary Queen of Scots’ Fact Check: Was Queen Elizabeth’s Ambassador Actually Black?
The Wrap ^ | December 9, 2018 | Trey Williams

Posted on 12/20/2018 2:18:43 PM PST by yesthatjallen

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To: yesthatjallen

Rourke said, however, that she didn’t see any reason that these actors couldn’t play these prominent roles in “Mary Queen of Scots.”


What’s a little rewriting of history ... most of these SJW people love the idea of making fiction out of fact so to confuse youngsters with no knowledge of history and thus be able to sell them any bill of goods they fancy.


41 posted on 12/20/2018 3:15:36 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Kickass Conservative
Paul Muni as a Chinese peasant in THIS GOOD EARTH was believable and yes, fantastic. WHY? Because the makeup was well done and he didn't do it as a white man. The viewer BELIEVES is IS the fictional character.

Having some black actor portraying a WHITE HISTORICAL MAN, is NOT believable and ruins the whole damned thing!

Rooney in BREAKFAST AT TIFFIANY'S is not well done, not believable, is a caricature, so that's the problem with that. But he's portraying a FICTIONAL person, so it isn't quite as horrific.

42 posted on 12/20/2018 3:17:51 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
I hated Wolf Hall. Cromwell was a schemer who single-handedly destroyed the entire system of charity that England had been known for centuries, which later required Poor Laws to be instituted which were by no means charitable. The show made him out to be worthy of kind thoughts. NO! He was Machiavellian to the core who was the muscle behind the first modern tyranny.

Mary Queen of Scots was looking to Elizabeth for assistance in the troubles she had in Scotland and crossed into England. Elizabeth had her executed.

I wish Tudor drama had more real history in it and as an historian the fact that it doesn't it offends me greatly.

43 posted on 12/20/2018 3:18:38 PM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: Ditto
You're okay with the butchering of FACTUAL historical people?

How very lefty PC of you!

44 posted on 12/20/2018 3:19:52 PM PST by nopardons
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To: yesthatjallen
But how much of it is fact and how much is fiction?

There was a Queen of England named Elizabeth, her cousin was named Mary and she was wed to the king of Scotland.

As far as I can tell from the commercials, everything else is fiction.

45 posted on 12/20/2018 3:19:59 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, and somewhere else the tea is getting cold.)
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To: Slyfox
You're correct re Cromwell! His descendant wasn't any better; he destroyed CHRISTMAS, in England, for centuries.

SPOT ON...re the rest of your post!

46 posted on 12/20/2018 3:22:13 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

From what I’ve read in earlier reviews of this abominable film, you are correct.


47 posted on 12/20/2018 3:23:13 PM PST by nopardons
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To: colorado tanker
Denzel Washington was cast in Much Ado About Nothing and handled the role well.

He was also playing a fictional character.

Perhaps we should have Susan B Anthony played by a man?

48 posted on 12/20/2018 3:24:06 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, and somewhere else the tea is getting cold.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Micky Rooney playing Mr. Yunioshi in Breakfast at Tiffany’s.

John Wayne playing Genghis Khan in The Conquerors.

Valerie Jarret playing Zira in Planet of the Apes.
Oops, never mind.
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LOL

Barack Obama playing a president.


49 posted on 12/20/2018 3:25:57 PM PST by LydiaLong
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To: yesthatjallen

Mary Queen of Scots was raised in France. She did not have a Scottish accent. Also, she never met Queen Elizabeth in person.


50 posted on 12/20/2018 3:27:05 PM PST by LydiaLong
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To: yesthatjallen

The mic-clutching broad who caked on whore lipstick on the right, there

51 posted on 12/20/2018 3:27:30 PM PST by gaijin
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To: yesthatjallen

Gee whiz. I was hoping to see this film this weekend. I still may because really like both actresses and period pieces.

Why did the director stop at making the queens attendants black. Why not the queens??


52 posted on 12/20/2018 3:30:35 PM PST by americas.best.days... ( Donald John Trump has pulled the sword from the stone.)
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53 posted on 12/20/2018 3:34:27 PM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know. how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: Equine1952; All
Custer was an azzhole.

Not quite. Any man that gets to be a Major General in four years is clearly no incompetent. There were several of these so-called ‘boy generals’ in the Yankee army. Henry S Mackenzie is my particular favorite. George Lucas Hartsuff, while not exactly a ‘boy general’ was promoted to Major General at the age of 33. Wesley Merritt was a division commander in Sheridan's Cavalry Corps when he was 34 and was promoted albeit brevet as Major General, USA in 1865.

All of these men and a number of other young commanders were noted for their ruthlessness and iron drive. Custer may have been more flamboyant than most but his large ego and overbearing personality were typical of the group of commanders he represented.

Those of you who follow my posts know I am a Southerner and dislike the perpetual use of what Robert Penn Warren termed the ‘Treasury of Virtue’ by Yankees to claim the moral high ground about many squalid acts perpetrated during the War Between The States. That being said the relentless trashing of GAC is a sort of revisionism that is nauseating and is used in passing to indite all American soldiers as racist goons. Custer had his faults as we all do but he was a superb battle commander and was both cool headed and utterly fearless in a battle. Those who have been in the service know how rare those characteristics are together.

54 posted on 12/20/2018 3:39:29 PM PST by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: StolarStorm
Is it "history" or is it "drama"?

This sort of casting has been dine in Shakespeare plays for some time.

And if the movie really is already the travesty of history people say it is, maybe non-traditional casting is the least of its distortions.

55 posted on 12/20/2018 3:40:23 PM PST by x
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To: yesthatjallen

Was Queen Elizabeth’s Ambassador Actually Black?
We will have to wait till the Broadway play shows up.


56 posted on 12/20/2018 3:40:47 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: yesthatjallen

Reparations. Paid.


57 posted on 12/20/2018 3:43:29 PM PST by A Cyrenian
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To: nopardons

My dear wife (who has a BA in History) does not like historical novels about real people. She can tolerate narrative history if done well. She does not like being unable to determine from the page if a conversation or incident is invented completely by the author or has some basis in fact.

Myself, I assume 70% of the historians have an ax to grind anyway and look for first sources that were used and reference accuracy. However: We all remember the Bancroft Prize that had to be retracted due to total falsification of first sources.


58 posted on 12/20/2018 3:48:56 PM PST by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Roseanne, is that you?


59 posted on 12/20/2018 3:49:53 PM PST by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: robowombat

He was really special leading his men into Medicine Hat Coulee at the Little Big Horn.


60 posted on 12/20/2018 4:25:42 PM PST by Equine1952 (Get yourself a ticket on a common mans train of thought.)
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