[Scott from the Left Coast]

Well, Trump isn’t a secessionist either. You are kind of missing my point...we sent Trump there to be something he wasn’t, without the necessary support on the inside to give him any chance of success whatsoever. What little he had was minimized when the Democrats won/stole the midterms.

Secession would be a revolutionary act. And it’s not very much more likely to happen than a revolution anyway. I don’t care what means you attempt to change the status quo - or what you call it - you aren’t going to do it the easy, simple, nice and clean way. It’s going to be extremely messy and it’s going to create tremendous chaos all around.

[central_va]

"Secession belongs to a different class of remedies. It is to be justified upon the basis that the States are Sovereign. There was a time when none denied it. I hope the time may come again, when a better comprehension of the theory of our Government, and the inalienable rights of the people of the States, will prevent any one from denying that each State is a Sovereign, and thus may reclaim the grants which it has made to any agent whomsoever."

"The withdrawal of a State from a league has no revolutionary or insurrectionary characteristic. The government of the State remains unchanged as to all internal affairs. It is only its external or confederate relations that are altered. To term this action of a Sovereign a 'rebellion' is a gross abuse of language."

-- President Davis