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To: Fido969; \/\/ayne; fieldmarshaldj; Big Red Badger; Openurmind; PeterPrinciple; jyo19; ...
What we are faced with is a propaganda war, and we are all too close to defenseless in it.

I speak, of course, of “the media.” IMHO there is a remedy, which can be implemented but should have been done “yesterday.” The Republican Party has been libeled systematically and viciously by American journalism, and it must sue for damages in the billions of dollars.

Theoretically anyone can sue for damages, but not just anyone has a specific claim of a specific tort which would really matter. It has to be the Republican Party. Of course, the pre-Trump Republican Party would never have tried such a thing. But as a centaur is a man with the body of a horse, and a mermaid is a maiden with the body of a fish, Donald Trump is a seemingly mythological creature. He is a Republican with the chutzpah of a Democrat. He needs to get this ball rolling.

Anyone can file a lawsuit, but the objection is that the New York Times Co. v. Sullivan decision makes it difficult for any politician, or even a judge, to sue for libel. This is true - and not only so, but that 1964 decision was unanimous, with concurring opinions wanting to make it even stronger. Not only is that the case but - I warrant - a panel of judges picked by Donald Trump today would decide the same case the same way tomorrow.

Why then do I suggest a lawsuit which would be “doomed to fail?” Because the case to be brought would neither allege the same facts nor plead for the same relief as the Sullivan case did. And it would attack “the media” under a different law - antitrust law.

You and I know that “the media” is a cabal which conspires against the public by ganging up on Republican politicians, and letting Democrats off easy completely.. But it can be shown that that is precisely what should be expected of journalism as it exists today. Not only can voluminous evidence of this fact - already compiled by existing organizations such as Brent Bozell Media Research Center - be adduced, but it is easy to show that journalists have ample motive and ample opportunity to conspire against the public in precisely that way.

As to motive, journalism operates under the rule for commercial success which states, “If it bleeds, it leads.” Journalism is systematically negative, such that society might easily build an entire city with little notice from journalism except for the occasions when buildings burn down. All journalists know, therefore, that journalism is negative. And yet journalists claim that journalism is objective. The claim that “negativity is objectivity,” however, can only be made by a cynic. Why then would journalists claim objectivity? Because they want to be influential (and commercially successful).

The trouble with being objective is that it is difficult to the point of impossibility, on the one hand, and against human nature, on the other. It is against human nature, because anyone who has an opinion thinks that opinion is right - or it wouldn’t be his/her opinion. The only way to try to be objective is to analyze that opinion from the point of view that where you stand is probably affected by where you sit. This is uncomfortable, and that makes it hard work. And that is not what journalists do. Given the opportunity, journalists collude to claim objectivity, and collude to destroy the reputation of anyone who questions their objectivity.

And journalists have the opportunity, in spades. It is the air they breathe. In the founding era, and into the late Nineteenth Century, newspapers were primarily about the opinions of their printers (much as the Rush Limbaugh show is about the opinions of Rush Limbaugh), and nobody would have seriously suggested that they were objective. And that is the sort of journalism the authors of the Constitution and First Amendment were familiar with.

The telegraph was demo’d by Samuel Morse in 1844, and the first wire service began in 1848. This quickly morphed into the Associated Press, and by the 1870s concern began to be expressed over its concentration of propaganda power. The AP’s response to the charge was to assert that it essentially consisted of its - and its member newspapers notoriously did not agree about much of anything. At the time, there was truth to that argument - and the value of the wire service in disseminating information quickly throughout the country while conserving expensive telegraphy bandwidth was unquestioned.

But the AP “wire” constituted a virtual meeting of a critical mass of American journalists. And as Adam Smith warned in Wealth of Nations (1776), “People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.” Although the Associated Press Stylebook institutionalized some useful standardization (such as the “pyramid” organization of news stories which demands that the most important information appear early in any story), it can also have direct political implications (such as the insistence that illegal aliens not be called “illegal aliens”).

The “meeting” created by “the wire" gradually became the air that journalists breathe. And the motive to cooperate - the motive of going along and getting along ideologically, and being seen as “objective,” transformed American journalism from an assortment of ideologically idiosyncratic purveyors of opinion (and secondarily information) into the ideological monolith with which we are all to painfully acquainted. All major journalism institutions all insinuate cynicism towards society, which conservatism considers to be fundamentally OK and in need of little guidance from government. And concomitantly, they project naiveté towards government (of which conservatism is suspicious).

The Republican Party must therefore sue wire service journalism (especially the AP, emphatically including its member newspapers). All wire services have the same sort of homogenizing effect, and all journalists share the motivation of being considered objective - and share the fear of the wrath of the cartel if they challenge any other journalist’s objectivity. So the fact that there are multiple wire services does not change the dynamic which, arguably, the AP was best positioned to start but need not be the only support of the system in being. Journalism which is in a de facto cartel does not compete, and functions to promote its interests, and those of the Democrat Party.

The upshot is that the journalism cartel pushes for “campaign finance reform” to decrease the ability of outsiders to oppose its agenda, and in other ways promotes the conceit that, far from being ordinary citizens, journalists in good standing with the cartel are “the Fourth Estate,” with rights that you and I do not enjoy.

The New York Times v. Sullivan case presented entirely different facts. The losing plaintiff, a Southern Democrat, was an unsympathetic figure, and the Times didn’t even write the ad of which the plaintiff complained. And the ad did not even attack the plaintiff by name. There was no implication of conspiracy among journalists as a class.

Collusion among journalists to obviate ideological competition among them is provable factually, and it is explicable theoretically. Not just an individual newspaper here or there but the whole of journalism must be sued for libeling the whole of the Republican Party. Because that is what has been going on for half a century and more. The wire services are engines of “conspiracy against the public,” and - in the wake of the development of fiber optics, lasers, and microwaves and satellites - wire service journalism doesn’t save important money in the dissemination of the news. Wire services should be forced to transform, or disband.

New York Times v. Sullivan to the contrary notwithstanding, SCOTUS can do it. But the Republican Party has to bring the case.


77 posted on 12/15/2018 11:46:44 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

[[The Republican Party has been libeled systematically and viciously by American journalism, and it must sue for damages in the billions of dollars]]

That is my basic point- hit them in the pocket books- all these ‘talk shows’ aren’t doing crap really- yes, they give another opinion, but are not effective in slowing down the left- at all- the only 2 thing that will stop the left are lawsuits, and boycotts- even passing laws agaisnt them will only slow them down until they are back in power- but start costing them billions, and all of a sudden they run for cover


78 posted on 12/15/2018 11:53:28 AM PST by Bob434
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
"What we are faced with is a propaganda war, and we are all too close to defenseless in it. I speak, of course, of “the media.” IMHO there is a remedy..."

THE REMEDY IS US!

In 2016 over 62 Million people voted for Donald Trump and the preservation of our republic. If just ONE IN FOUR would take the time to bring a new voter to our side by 2020 we would produce over 75 MILLION votes and the liberals would be in the dumpster for decades.

Wobbly independents, 17 year olds, agnostic citizens who don't think voting matters and spoiler libertarians - they are all out there ready to be talked to; ready to be educated; ready to be brought into the light.

But rather than get busy and recruit someone, my guess is that as close to activism as the majority of the people who put Donald Trump in office will get this time around is forwarding some email, or putting a cartoon on Facebook.

79 posted on 12/15/2018 12:49:52 PM PST by Baynative ("A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams." - John Barrymore)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Sue the Media,,,
Nailing jello
to a fence post.

But thanks,you got a point.

Fact is the “brainwashed”
Like the Mud they wallow in.

“Idiocracy” is our direction and
Judgement is our Fate.


89 posted on 12/15/2018 7:02:31 PM PST by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Good post. I couldn’t agree more. But, do you think such a case would survive summary judgment and thus be allowed to go to trial?

I think it “could” in a Texas Court with the right judge.


91 posted on 12/15/2018 7:31:23 PM PST by Cen-Tejas
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
The courts are simply not equipped or inclined to handle such a controversy. And while Sullivan has its defects, it is more or less settled law because the alternative is to make politics into a species of defamation law. We are better off if we focus on winning elections and then running the country successfully.
97 posted on 12/15/2018 8:44:27 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

I have a M.A. in Journalism and graduated Summa Cum Laude. Worked in the field. Outlets don’t want a conservative Journalist. Changed careers. I would shut down the media until standards could be set. No apologies. Ever.


116 posted on 12/16/2018 6:51:33 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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