Posted on 12/13/2018 8:25:57 AM PST by Skywise
You would assume incorrectly. Two different situations.
The Indians were unaware of property law as it is universally known today in the modern world.
South Africans of all colors are fully aware of property laws. As are we.
Don’t make the mistake of imparting moral equivalence of events today to people who lived centuries ago. There are a lot of repugnant things done by people in the past that we don’t accept today.
This isn’t selective outrage, by the way.
You are comparing behavior from a past date and time to today.
In a past date and time, an army would conquer someplace, execute every non-child male of any age, and take women and children as captives or slaves, if they didn’t rape and murder them too.
It wasn’t even given a second thought, and was actually encouraged.
We don’t encourage or allow our military to behave in that kind of behavior today, most nation states don’t.
But the rest is part of history. So is the treatment of American Indians in the 19th century.
Depends on who’s ox is being gored.
Please stop. Past, present, or future, Murderous thieves only stop when they finally get what they want, your life and your property.
I don’t think it is just a question of whose ox is being gored, though I do understand the viewpoint.
I am not a fan of taking things that have been done in the past and judging those standards by today’s standards, with some exceptions.
I view the silliness of reparations in exactly that light, because I think they stem from the same mindset.
I am part Armenian (a grandfather) and I view what the Turks did to the Armenians as terrible, but it goes no further beyond that. I also think things the Germans did were hideous, what the Romans did were terrible, and the Spartans, and the Greeks, and...you get the idea.
I don’t support what those people did any more than I support what happened to American Indians, Blacks, the Japanese we threw into internment camps, or any of those things. But they happened.
But I do judge things that have happened in my lifetime, especially things when I am of age and have imparted de facto approval of various elements of national conduct simply because I am a member of a constitutional republic and via my participation in voting, share credit or blame depending on the situation.
What is going on over in South Africa is wrong, and it is going to get far worse when it begins to pick up steam and people are evicted from their lands. There is going to be more bloodshed, a lot of it, and those people have shown they are capable of a great deal of cruelty when coalesced into a mob...never mind a mob with the power of the government behind it.
That is happening today and now, and I have not only the right to speak out on it, I have the obligation to do so.
I expect there will be many who will eagerly encourage vilification of those who speak out against the coming diaspora, painting them as racists, but this has more to do with right and wrong in the modern world, the overt racism baked into that situation not withstanding.
Humans have not evolved spiritually or socially. We are, to borrow a phrase, murdering apes. The only thing different now is that we are now murderous apes with greater killing technology. The only thing that will truly change us from inside is..., here it comes..., Jesus.
I think you and I agree fundamentally that we aren’t perfect, and that evil does exist in humanity, and that we are capable of it. I think we also agree that the rejection of God is the biggest danger in the long run we face.
That is, by the way, a cleavage point between Leftism and Conservatism.
We as Conservatives believe men have inherent evil in them and must be prevented from falling to it. Those of us who believe in God understand the cure to evil is turning to God.
Leftists believes man is pure, and only circumstances and such make him turn to evil...but worse, they believe that if they remove all those circumstances (Poverty, Ignorance, Disease, etc.) that evil will disappear. They believe that Man turning to other Men is the cure to evil.
That last paragraph illustrates the peril we are in, cohabiting on this earth as we do with Leftists. Whittaker Chambers in “Witness” recognized the inherent evil in Leftism as expressed in the Soviet Union as being at the root of a titanic struggle between good and evil. Like you and me (I hope) he saw the right side, and even though he thought it would be the losing side, put his eggs in the basket of America as it was back then.
It is in our nature to be susceptible to evil, which is important in two ways:
With respect to God, the belief and moral code that God through Christ wishes us to observe is a lifeline we should be socially clutching dearly instead of throwing it away with both hands as we are.
With respect to Government, we should recognize how the point above is woven into our Constitution by the way it was put together by the Founders, and how critical it is to a functioning Constitutional Republic. Without God, and the moral underpinnings of God, the Constitution is simply a piece of paper to be ignored.
In Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s “The Gulag Archipelago” he goes out of his way to mention just how wonderfully constructed and put together the Soviet Constitution was. Prisoners could have access to the Soviet Constitution, and the Soviet Government apparently went to great pains to ensure they could utilize pretzel logic to justify legally any action they took. Which they did. They basically took those words and legally worked right around all of them. And we all saw how that worked out for them.
Which is what our own government has been doing to varying degrees for some time now.
Like I said, I don’t think we disagree at all on that last post of yours. We are all capable of being beasts. Being God-fearing men is often the only thing that keeps us from being beasts. The question it, how long before that restraint gives out and our US Constitution becomes as worthless as the Soviet Constitution.
At a point like that a larger war between races would break out.
But even if it was self-defense from their own genocide, the MSM would still vilify them. You see the same thing happening with Israel.
Sounds like an American rapper.
“.......You see the same thing happening with Israel.”
Yes you do.
Why go to the trouble? The tragedy of the commons will take care of all that. Historically it has been owned - and it’s been on the owners to maintain.Take away owners who appreciate what they have because they know what went into creating it - and Poof! In the “long run” it all goes to rust and inoperability - and by the “long” run I mean a couple of years at most. For machinery, much less. The seed corn will be eaten - and from there it’ll all be downhill.
Instant Venezuela.
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