Posted on 12/11/2018 8:51:03 AM PST by aspasia
Europe’s commentators have not been kind to Theresa May after she delayed the meaningful vote on her Brexit deal and dashed to the continent in search of further concessions.
“It’s like a long, slow agony,” wrote Sonia Delesalle-Stolper, the London correspondent for the French daily Libération. “You know the end is near, you expect the worst, then there’s a small flicker of light – before another collapse. And it always ends badly.”
May “blew her last bet”, failing miserably to convince parliament to vote for the withdrawal agreement sealed barely two weeks ago. “Rather than suffer the humiliation, she suspended the vote,” the paper said: “The latest plot twist in the infernal Brexit saga. Chaos is complete.”
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May is a lost cause. She was a complete nonce as Prime Minister and she’s clearly on her way out.
I’m just glad to see the British People and the British Parliament will not accept abject surrender. Hard Brexit will be a shock to the system but its far better than what the Yurps were offering.
I hope President Trump and the Democrats can agree to quickly offer Britain a free trade deal along the lines of the renegotiated NAFTA deal we just made with Mexico and Canada.
You keep your laws, your currency, your Queen and your national sovereignty. We just trade more freely with each other with no political aspirations out of the deal at all. Ideally we could get the rest of the Anglosphere especially Australia and New Zealand signed up too.
complete incompetence
I’ve written out a Brexit proposal:
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3710348/posts
UK INDEPENDENCE
The UK shall be legally independent of the EU, except via this agreement, and its successors, effective 1 April 2019.
Except as clearly and self-evidently provided by any international treaty in which many non-EU nations and the UK are bound by, the courts of the UK shall be the sole courts having judicial power in the UK and over the governments of the UK, effective 1 April 2019.
ECONOMIC STABILITY PROVISIONS
Proper UK/EU certifications to EU/UK law shall be valid, unless related EU/UK law is changed.
UK/EU products and services shall be treated as per existing rules, unless related EU/UK law is changed.
UK/EU products and services shall not be discriminated against by the UK/EU, without a notice period of at least two years.
RESIDENTAL RIGHTS
Each EU/UK citizen can continue to reside in, and own, and sell, their existing EU/UK property/properties, in the country they are in, without undue legal discrimination as to regulation, taxation and tax-supported schooling below the university level, as long as they do so in a lawful manner that is respectful of the social order, which may be clarified by national law.
Begging, intimidating solicitation, rough sleeping, illegal housing overcrowding, tax evasion, repeated/criminal fare evasion, rowdiness and public intoxication may legally be considered disrespectful of the social order.
RECIPROCAL RIGHT to WORK and PARTICIPATE in ASSOCIATED HEALTH CARE SCHEMES
Current EU citizens may work in the UK, conditioned on full mutual reciprocity for current UK citizens, by EU member nation, as they legally could as of 1 December 2018, until further notice under a national law of the UK or EU member nation, to be bilaterally effective after four years, which shall not be given earlier than 2026.
All such participating foreign EU/UK workers and their legally dependent children living with them shall be able/required to participate in the associated health care schemes to the same extant and on the same basis as resident nationals, unless related EU/UK law is changed.
UK WELFARE for EU CITIZENS
Effective immediately, EU newcomers to the UK shall not be entitled by any UK agreement with the EU to get welfare, such as housing benefits or new student loans.
UK welfare for all EU citizens in UK, not having UK citizenship, by any UK agreement with the EU, ends 31 December 2019.
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a leader would get in front rather than get dragged behind. May somehow cannot get in front. She is not a leader, but maybe she is a globalist politician bot.
"The European Court of Justice has ruled that the UK can unilaterally revoke Article 50 and put a stop to Brexit. But what exactly is Article 50, how does it work and how does the ECJ's ruling affect things? Read on to find out."
"Article 50 of the Treaty of Lisbon gives any EU member state the right to quit unilaterally and outlines the procedure for doing so. It gives the leaving country two years to negotiate an exit deal. When the UK triggered Article 50, it was thought that once in motion it couldn't be stopped except by unanimous consent of all member states. The ECJ's ruling changes that completely."
"No country has ever left the EU before, and there was no way to legally leave the EU before the Treaty of Lisbon was signed in 2007."
In other words, the EU has rules to protect the rights of member states. Until those rules get in the way of the EU's hold on power. Then those rules can be nullified at will when the EU courts rule in favor of the EU.
That would piss off the Northumbrians. The English/Scottish border is many miles north of Hadrians's wall for most of its course :-)
???This ECJ ruling has found in favour of the member state’s wishes, not the reverse.
Just heard on the radio that May is out.
Nothing on Drudge or Google news about any change of status for May, yet.
Read further down in the article. What the ECJ ruled was once invoked, article 50 could be revoked by the state who invoked rule 50. Nevermind the political consequences of this and that this was after Brexit was in the works. So the ECJ’s and by extensions, the EU’s rules on this are being made up as they go, in ways which can be turned around to support the EU.
I’ve read both Maastricht and Lisbon. Nothing in either allows for what the UK court just ruled.
The ECJ was considering the question only because it had been asked to do so by a Scottish court, to which it had originally been put by the anti-Brexit devolved Scottish government. Whether or not the effect of the judgement will be to strengthen the EU in any particular case, the fact remains that it puts into a member state’s hands a power which the EU had thought it owned. The EU Commission, in its submission to the Court, held that Article 50 could only be withdrawn if all 26 member states agreed. The ECJ rejected this.
As per the British rules, the parliament is sovereign, not the people. Technically the parliament doesn’t have to care about any referendum.
“My message folks tonight is, as much as I don’t want a second referendum, it would be wrong of us on a Leave Means Leave platform not to get ready, not to be prepared for a worst-case scenario.”May must ‘try something different’ on Brexit, Amber Rudd says He added: “We’ve now got to move into a different gear. We’ve got to start forming branches and active groups all over this country.
“We’ve got to re-engage with those millions of people who never voted in their lives before.
“And if all our efforts come to nothing because we leave at 11pm on March 29th, then so much the better.
“But can I urge you, can I implore you to get ready for every situation. I think they will, in the next few months, betray us completely – and let us be ready not just to fight back, but if it comes we will win it next time by a much bigger margin.”
His warning comes amid growing support for a Final Say vote, with parliament set to reject Ms May’s proposed deal.
Labour MP Kate Hoey spoke alongside Mr Farage at the Leave Means Leave rally and caused a stir by appearing to equate Brexit with the IRA as a threat to a united Ireland.She said: “We didn’t spend 30 years in Northern Ireland stopping IRA terrorists killing soldiers, police and civilians in order to get a united Ireland, to allow a few jumped-up EU bureaucrats and a complicit prime minister to try and do the same thing by the back door.
“Even more ridiculous is that it would not even be in the economic interests of Northern Ireland who depend on so much of their trade to and from Britain. Why is a British prime minister dancing to the tune of an Irish Taoiseach? There’s no need for a hard border and there’s no need for a backstop.”
As per British constitution rules, parliament can say “to hell with the first and second referendum. We can stay or leave as we, the parliament, like. Parliament is sovereign, not the people”
Goods need to be taxed (as there is no trade deal); people's movement need to be monitored (customs guards etc.)
The only alternatives are:
1. normal border (think US-Mexico)
2. No border - but then an internal border between NI and the rest of the UK.
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