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To: semantic

Well, I sympathize as I am old enough as well that seclusion is also possible for me as well.

But this is the thing - if you are looking for a revolution you don’t do that by electing a president, particularly one without a political party. Revolutions require force...armies, even if guerilla...and massive societal upheaval. Presidents don’t have that power or hold those cards...again particularly those that are not at the head of massive political movement. Trump didn’t have a movement or even any kind of political organization - he had the ability to get votes from a depressed populace angry about enough specific issues in enough states to win an office. That’s a VERYdifferent thing.

I am certain Trump is serious...about correcting what he sees as the dysfunctional stupidity of our governing class. He just has very limited power by himself (and in D.C. he IS by himself) to implement those changes. When the founders set up the dispersion of power and checks and balances it was determined that we wouldn’t have a “strong man” form of government. So he is limited by structure as well as by having no organized political movement or support. To change these things you need either a revolution or generations of slow, incremental institutional and societal change. That is something the Marxists, as in California, are very adept at. And we are now at least two generations into the Marxist movement and they are seeing much success in various places.

We either need to follow their blueprint and work over 50 to 60 years, or we will need to take the route of much greater upheaval and destruction - which in itself requires a significant level of organization and structure that does not exist now. Electing a Loner President won’t do it.

So perhaps seclusion, for those of us lucky and successful enough to be able to acquire it, isn’t such a bad answer.


91 posted on 12/07/2018 8:42:37 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast (You may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you...)
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Don't know if you've ever read Catch-22 (sheer genius IMO), but there's a scene set during the Allied conquest of Sicily. (Most of the story takes place shortly afterward once an airfield is established to conduct bombing missions into northern Italy that the Germans still held.)

There's an old man who is cynically waving the US flag as Patton's troops march into Palermo. He admits, even while he's furiously cheering on the troops and tossing roses on the leading officers in the parade, that he did the same exact thing for the Germans a few years earlier.

His rationale? Simple - Sicily has been conquered, occupied & ruled by so many different empires and governments over millenia, that it doesn't matter who's in charge today, someone else will be at some future point in time. Same could be said about our situation - change your uniform and pretend you were always in love with Big brother.

As you know, Calif is now a proglib super majority state. Yet, does anything really change at all for those luckily enough to be in the upper economic layer? To the contrary, it seems everything is getting nicer. Oh sure, you don't want to drive very far into the zones where our "new" Americans live, but as long as they commute here to their daily service jobs, what's not to like? After all, the Spaniards have been doing it for 500 years in Mexico City.

It's the average American who is getting the shaft. Since they had the most to lose, they should have taken the most forceful approach. But, on average, they just aren't smart enough to put 2+2 together. So, exactly as Jefferson warned, the corporations would literally steal their legacy right out from underneath them; and they have.

99 posted on 12/07/2018 9:09:44 AM PST by semantic
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