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CNN: Trump to Announce Bump Stock Ban Within Days
The Truth About Guns ^ | 11/28/18 | Dan Zimmerman

Posted on 11/28/2018 7:10:28 PM PST by Simon Green

We were a tad premature with our recent post announcing the ATF’s final determination that bump fire stocks will now be considered and regulated the same way as machine guns. But we apparently weren’t off by much. According to the unimpeachable news source that is CNN . . .

The Trump administration plans to announce the long-anticipated federal rule officially banning bump stocks in the coming days, according to US officials familiar with the matter.

Given the President’s virtual order to the ATF directing the agency to reexamine their determination that bump fire stocks are perfectly legal firearm accessories under current law, it wasn’t a matter of if, only a question of when.

Under the new rule, bump stock owners would be required to destroy or surrender the devices to authorities. Members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or otherwise discard their bump stocks, according to a source familiar with the final rule.

“Bump stocks turn semiautomatic guns into illegal machine guns. This final rule sends a clear message: Illegal guns have no place in a law-and-order society, and we will continue to vigorously enforce the law to keep these illegal weapons off the street,” a senior Justice Department official told CNN Wednesday.

You can read the not-quite-yet-final rule here.

As Luis Valdes wrote here earlier, this sets a terrible precedent that is almost sure to could be abused by future, less gun-friendly administrations to outlaw more than just range toys.

We’re living in interesting times.

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To: Simon Green

***“Bump stocks turn semiautomatic guns into illegal machine guns.***

No it doesn’t. It simply forces the finger off the trigger for a split second, then the rebound allows your finger to pull the trigger again.

I saw one years ago that fit on a 1911 .45 and all it did was when you pulled the trigger, the slide would hit a lever which forced your finger off the trigger for a split second till the slide closed in which regular finger pressure fired another round-FAST.


21 posted on 11/28/2018 7:28:23 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Simon Green

Back in February 2018 Trump said he would do this.

“”The lawyers” are working on this executive order “right now,” he said. “Shortly,” Trump assured of bump stocks, “that’ll be gone.”

I watched that meeting live and saw Trump say he would get rid of bump stocks via EO and no legislation would be required.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-says-he-ll-ban-bump-stocks-through-executive-order-n852021


22 posted on 11/28/2018 7:34:05 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Nateman

They will probably have to outlaw this guy as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctz-QH2ug-A


23 posted on 11/28/2018 7:38:08 PM PST by Yogafist
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To: northislander

When I heard the audio of the gunfire in the Vegas massacre, it sounded like a SAW or an AK with a drum magazine. But I’ve never even heard of a bump stock before. Maybe it was but it had a mean rip. Can it fire that fast?


24 posted on 11/28/2018 7:42:23 PM PST by HighSierra5
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To: faithhopecharity

Mr President:

Don’t be stupid. I fired a bump stock once. They are worthless. Can’t aim the gun and can’t control where it is aiming.

Your staff know nothing about this subject. They are only going to piss off a piece of your base which tends to maintain a grudge and will turn on you.

There is no upside to doing this. No liberals will change to vote for you because of this.

By the way, I don’t own a bump stock.


25 posted on 11/28/2018 7:43:08 PM PST by american_ranger (Our family motto is being miserable builds character.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Cant you just keeper squeeze the trigger as fast as you can do the same thing


26 posted on 11/28/2018 7:49:16 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom Hi Dad)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Under existing law, bump fire stock equipped rifles are NOT machine guns because each and every shot, utilizing a bump-fire stock in the slide fire mode requires a separate activation of the trigger. Period. There are NO modifications to the fire control group. Neither the disconnector, the hammer, the selector lever, lower receiver, or the trigger is altered in ANY way. An automatic sear is not added.

One thing that I really like about Free Republic is the amazing incisiveness and the vast quantity of thoughtful and informed analysis and information about a multiplicity of subjects. However, I am EXTREMELY disappointed about much of what has been said of the the bumpfire stock controversy. Much of it sounds has though it was promulgated by the ignorant gun grabbing left.

I am a 2 tour Vietnam infantry and armor combat veteran, and a member of the Illinois National guard for 26 years. I served in a NG Military police battalion has a platoon sergeant and an operations sergeant. I was a certified Illinois State Police Firearms and Defensive tactics instructor, and a member of Special Reaction and SWAT teams. I have fired hundreds of thousands of rounds through automatic weapons of all types, belt and magazine fed, tripod and shoulder mounted, ranging from .45 caliber M-3 sub machine guns up to M2A1 40 mm twin anti-aircraft guns mounted on an M-42 self propelled anti-aircraft gun.
I am retired and spend one day a month on the rifle range shooting my AR-15 rifles. When this slide fire device was first introduced, the low cost and novelty intrigued me and I purchased one. It was a bit awkward to use at first, but in one afternoon, after a bit of practice I was able to get 90% of any length burst on a man sized target at 70 yards, which is close to the normal engagement ranges for truly effective full auto fire from shoulder mounted assault rifles. It is not as useful has a true selective fire assault rifle since it requires two hands to employ, but it DOES have some measure of limited tactical utility for anyone who practices with it. I never really considered this item to be a true tactical instrument, but I did appreciate the ingenuity and thought that went into turning “bump fire’ into almost as accurate a technique has I could use with a true select fire assault rifle. It was even more accurate when firing from the prone position.

Experts who have decried the effectiveness of full auto fire from assault rifles and other shoulder fired weapons are largely correct. I was constantly yelling at my squad to use the “auto” location for the selector switch sparingly. Semi-auto fire is usually most desired and superior, and includes the advantages of duration of sustained fire to prevent barrel overheating and enhances ammo expenditure and accuracy. Auto fire from an assault rifle has the following tactical utility, in the final and close in (100 meters or less) stages of an assault, to gain initial fire superiority, to break contact, particularly has a counter ambush technique, when firing along final protective lines when a perimeter is in danger of being overrun, and to support by fire the maneuver tactics of another element. Leaders should be responsible to control the fire of their subordinates to maintain fire discipline, but in those roles that I have outlined, full auto fire is very useful indeed, even if it is simulated auto fire delivered from a bumpstock.

The battle has been joined. The anti-gun hysterics are in full cry. They will never be satisfied until they achieve near total firearm confiscation. The genie is out of the bottle. You cannot stop psychopaths employing bump fire methods unless you can repeal the laws of Newtonian physics. I realize that some sort of regulation will ensue in the wake of this horrific atrocity. But I don’t like it one damn bit. BTW, you can effectively bump fire with a thick rubber band wrapped around the magazine well and on the trigger on an AR-15, while firing thru the sights from the shoulder.
If they do enact this ban, then any so called “compromise” should include repealing the 1986 Hughes Act which caused the prices of full auto weapons to skyrocket by making it impossible to register newly manufactured NFA firearms. There is NO REASON for a legally transferable M-16 to cost over 50,000 dollars. You can be assured that any such owner will be thoroughly vetted by the background check that would be required to purchase one. But none of that matters to gun grabbers anyway.


27 posted on 11/28/2018 8:03:25 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: Simon Green

Bump


28 posted on 11/28/2018 9:39:54 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: max americana

No joke. CNN is, by definition, fake and/or inaccurate news.

Why is anyone taking this seriously?


29 posted on 11/28/2018 11:01:12 PM PST by LaRueLaDue
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To: Simon Green

Under the new rule, bump stock owners would be required to destroy or surrender the devices to authorities.

“No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, **** EX POST FACTO **** Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title ...
U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 10 - The U.S. Constitution Online ..”

When Prohibition began, all alcohol legally possessed at that time could be kept and used normally.


30 posted on 11/28/2018 11:21:54 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: DMZFrank

Fantastic comment, right on point, especially the part about the legitimate uses of full-auto fire in various tactical situations. Thank you for your service and ditto on your comment!


31 posted on 11/29/2018 1:28:37 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

From what I have seen, using a rubberband produces better groupings than a bump stock.


32 posted on 11/29/2018 1:34:20 AM PST by D Rider
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To: akalinin
Under the new rule, bump stock owners would be required to destroy or surrender the devices to authorities. Members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or otherwise discard their bump stocks, according to a source familiar with the final rule.

Dahahaha, like that's going to happen. Makes me want one now.

Yep I'm doubting folks like they guy that went into my local gun store and purchased their entire stock simply plan to march down the police station and turn them in. In fact I'm betting the value of his "investment" just went up 10 fold on the black market with this announcement.

33 posted on 11/29/2018 3:31:31 AM PST by apillar
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To: Simon Green

:: Members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or otherwise discard their bump stocks ::

Or, what?


34 posted on 11/29/2018 4:51:51 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic, Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: dadgum

Work better More accuracy Less than $.01 each. A bargain


35 posted on 11/29/2018 4:55:48 AM PST by Renegade
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Come on we all know the 9th circuit will injoin this in a second as a violation of the fifth amendment ( taking). Of course don’t hold your breath.


36 posted on 11/29/2018 4:57:17 AM PST by Mouton (The media is the enemy of the people.)
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To: centurion316

It does not matter what you tbink, what matters is the precedent for the government nose in how we build our hobby. This ban will affect 3gun light triggers and is very vague in definition. It leads to bans on semi autos


37 posted on 11/29/2018 5:12:43 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: DMZFrank

Yes, FR is filled with Fudds and idiots who do not understand this is not about a bump stock but a whole government language to put their hands on our weapons and modifications to them.

They and the NRA are becoming as damaging as Rinos , failing to push back previous infringing regs. In a way they are a discouraging enemy within fatally demoralizing and like a gun pointed at our backs while we face hysterical libs


38 posted on 11/29/2018 5:19:15 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: HighSierra5

That bumpstock pic of LE and nothing else about this massacre is the dead giveaway of the agenda. The investigation will prove worse and more murdering than the massacre itself

Apparently Trump wants to lose , empower the deep state and go to jail


39 posted on 11/29/2018 5:21:54 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: JudgemAll

It’s not a weapon, it’s a gadget. Have you ever heard of “street legal” in the automotive business? How about electronics? Lots of prohibited items. What is the difference between a bump stock and an automatic selective switch for the M14? It’s just a part, but you have to hold a Class III license to own one. Defend weapons, not junk.


40 posted on 11/29/2018 5:39:55 AM PST by centurion316
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