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N. York's Highest Court Rules Immigrants Deserve Jury Trials, Even for Misdemeanors.....
wnyc ^ | 11/27/2018 | Beth Fertig

Posted on 11/27/2018 8:23:51 PM PST by caww

New York State's highest court has ruled that immigrants are entitled to a jury trial, even when they're accused of misdemeanor crimes that carry sentences of six months or less. The court ruled that the penalty of deportation was severe enough to warrant a jury trial.

The case was brought by the Center for Appellate Litigation in New York. The Bronx Defenders filed a friend of the court brief; it represented the defendant in his original case, and in his immigration proceedings.

in his dissent, Judge Michael Garcia wrote that this ruling would open the door "to further litigation, in both state and federal courts, over exactly which collateral consequences may make an otherwise 'petty' offense 'serious.'

"It is doubtful that importing federal immigration law into the penalty analysis was something the Supreme Court intended when it made the Sixth Amendment right to trial by jury for 'serious' offenses applicable to the states."

He said the Supreme Court has the ultimate authority to settle this issue and should.

The Legal Aid Society called it a "landmark case" that will provide clients a meaningful opportunity to fight against criminal charges that could lead to deportation.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnyc.org ...


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KEYWORDS: aliens; crime; newyork
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To: caww

The seeds were planted decades ago. R’s and D’s not enforcing immigration laws got us here. Obama merely carried the torch.


41 posted on 11/27/2018 9:28:12 PM PST by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: KC_Lion
So illegal immigrants have more rights than American citizens?

Tar and feathers for the judiciary.

This is in fact partly how Rome fell: most Roman 'citizens' were reduced to the status of humiliores (serfs) tied to the land, while Germans who invaded or were settled to serve the Roman army were exempt from most Roman law and taxation.

All for the glory of the Emperor and the ruling class.

42 posted on 11/27/2018 9:28:20 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: 5th MEB

Well that IS partly true!


43 posted on 11/27/2018 9:29:13 PM PST by caww
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To: pierrem15

......”All for the glory of the Emperor and the ruling class”......

Except this President is sticking his finger in the pie and they’re fighting to keep it theirs.


44 posted on 11/27/2018 9:31:12 PM PST by caww
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To: Theoria
Well sure....unfortunately if your not in the globalist lane, which is pushing 3rd worlders into economically stable countries, then the international leaders will oppose you as well....It's obvious the media giants are also on this lane.... SOOOO 'only' the people can rise up against this....which we did in voting for Trump. The problem is the 'power' to do serious harm currently belongs to the elites because they play so dirty and so deceptively behind even what we are seeing now.
45 posted on 11/27/2018 9:37:58 PM PST by caww
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To: inchworm
Group of Central American migrants 'held a press conference' asking for an end

to unjust deportations and for

an acceleration to the process of applying for asylum to the U.S


46 posted on 11/27/2018 9:44:48 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

Since when do illegal immigrants have any standing in a US court of law? They are in this country illegally and should be fined for trying to jam up and undermine our justice system, and sent packing. The same goes for those abetting them.


47 posted on 11/27/2018 9:52:55 PM PST by semaj (We are the People)
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To: caww

Jury nullifications coming in a big way.
Gotta protect fraudulently documented foreigners.


48 posted on 11/27/2018 10:00:34 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: caww

Right now Trump is the only person keeping the US from sliding completely into a filthy internationalist oligarchy.


49 posted on 11/27/2018 10:06:58 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: caww

Just bring these cases before a federal magistrate on the grounds that since there is the implication of deportation a federal question is involved - just the argument that the State has made. Then the federal magistrate can rule it a petty offense and award the guy.a fine. Deportation is not a criminal matter, but an administrative matter.


50 posted on 11/27/2018 10:20:09 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Dogbert41

Nor are they U.S. Citizens so they have NO U.S. Constitutional rights.


51 posted on 11/27/2018 10:23:58 PM PST by mabarker1 (Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!!)
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To: caww

I would like Justice Roberts to convince me there are no Obama or Clinton judges in our judicial system. He is as ridiculous as those who say there is no INVASION of our southern border. I’d love to have that 30 second argument with him.


52 posted on 11/27/2018 11:17:52 PM PST by Dapper 26
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To: caww

In most states, you can ask for a jury trial even for a speeding ticket.


53 posted on 11/27/2018 11:21:26 PM PST by eastforker (All in, I'm all Trump,what you got!)
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To: KC_Lion

>> THIS is how Rome fell.

Exactly!!!

Only one other person I know has mentioned that.


54 posted on 11/27/2018 11:28:49 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: mabarker1

Your statement is completely false.Even an illegal alien in the US has civil rights. You can’t enslave them, take their possessions or murder them. You do not have to be a US citizen, even if here illegally , to be afforded the protection of the US Constitution. That my friend is the law of the land.


55 posted on 11/27/2018 11:30:33 PM PST by eastforker (All in, I'm all Trump,what you got!)
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To: texas booster

Why is deportation severe?

Does it assume that all places outside the US are hell? That’s ridiculous, there are beautiful places outside the US and deportation is NOT a severe punishment, it’s just relocation.


56 posted on 11/27/2018 11:32:40 PM PST by Toughluck_freeper
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To: caww

Bad ruling in many ways. Watch how this backfires as I predict in the future they will be more likely to be charged with felonies. Prosecutors have nothing to lose.


57 posted on 11/28/2018 3:11:09 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: caww
So, what do actual citizens get?

I hear the tune of "Shaft" going through my head.

58 posted on 11/28/2018 3:59:09 AM PST by trebb (Those who don't donate anything tend to be empty gasbags...no-value-added types)
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To: caww

I thought all those abortions were done to get rid of the humans that were not wanted. With this court ruling, it paves the way for jury trials to determine if the unwanted babies should be aborted.


59 posted on 11/28/2018 4:37:22 AM PST by jonrick46 (Cultural Marxism is the cult of the Left waiting for the Mothership.)
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To: caww

Hmmm. I’m not sure the USSC can shut this down. Each state may grant its citizens/residents greater rights than are afforded under the Constitution.


60 posted on 11/28/2018 4:48:15 AM PST by jimfree (My18 y/o granddaughter continues to have more quality exec experience than an 8 year Obama.)
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