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We need to stand with Ukraine, not only for moral and national security reasons, but for political ones as well.
1 posted on 11/26/2018 7:23:38 PM PST by TBP
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It is not within our sphere of interest. The Ukraine apparently violated an agreement about naval activities within that Strait.

Trump is right, let the Europeans straighten it out.


55 posted on 11/26/2018 10:01:02 PM PST by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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Stand with them for moral reasons? A corrupt kleptocracy, born of globalism and neo-nazism? No thanks. And there are no US national security implications of whatever is going on out on the eastern front.

Porkoshenko swore he would blow up that new bridge. So would you let him sail underneath it? And the warships were on the way to the eastern areas of old Ukraine where the Kiev coup is trying to extend its control.


58 posted on 11/26/2018 10:07:28 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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No one in their right mind would want a war with Russia. That explains why the tardbrains on the Left have no problem trying to push us into one over their sedicious and manufactured attempt at a real American coup attempt on Trump.

However, just to clarify a few points here, Russia wants geopolitical domination over EU foreign and domestic economic policy. Key to this is their ability to control energy flow into Europe.

Already, Europe depends on energy flowing through Russian controlled routes to Europe through Belarus and the main Caspian/Caucus trunk lines which travel toward Europe along shared Turkish and Syrian territory largely under Russian controlled routes and airspace.

This control of energy flow, was how the Russians were able to turn off the gas in the Ukraine and central Europe during the winter, just to let the Germans and the EU know what they were capable of. For the Germans and central Europe, it was brief. For the Ukraine this has happened multiple times, and for extended periods of time during winter.

So here is a little of what is really going on.

Ukraine has a very significant energy belt which runs from it’s southeastern border in the Donetsk region, which trends nearly all the way to their border with Belarus in the northwest. For Russia, taking this energy belt away from the Ukraine is strategic, in that it keeps Ukraine from selling it’s own energy to Europe, and it forces Ukraine back into submission of the Russian Federation an email away from NATO and Europe.

Russia also cannot have a rogue Ukranian military power and Ukrainian Navy right in the geographic middle of it’s own naval supply routes from its Black Sea Fleet on the Crimean Peninsula, running to Tartus on the southern Syrian border just north of Lebanon.

Russia has already militarily taken a large area of eastern Ukraine where Ukrains large coal and gas reserves were located, and Russia is amassing its forces
again to probably take another large area of Ukrainian energy deposits, and Rich farm land.

However, the next phase will likely be more difficult for Russia. This is one of the reasons why Russia is building this large dual purpose supply bridge from Russia to the Crimean Peninsula, as once it is finished, Russia will be able to move armor and supplies on to the Crimean Peninsula without having to move supplies over water.

This is all strategic for Russia, as this bridge will allow Russia to flank Ukrainian forces from both the east and west, and take several thousand more square miles of Ukraine, while essentially eliminating Ukrainian Naval port and refueling facilities.

The Ukrainian people are in for some much more rough times.


62 posted on 11/26/2018 11:21:36 PM PST by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!))
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We need to stand with Ukraine, not only for moral and national security reasons, but for political ones as well.

Come on everybody, let's all stand with the Biden family.

Who are Hunter Biden's Ukrainian bosses?

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Please remain standing, so we can stand with the Brigadier General and the Sergeant Major.

“Regarding Putin, Xi, and other dictators and aggressors: Weakness is provocative.”  —  @BillKristol

“Are we appeasing Russia?”  —  Glenn Beck

68 posted on 11/27/2018 12:54:11 AM PST by greedo
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Trump didn’t blink - he’s not rash enough to attack Russia as they go about ‘local” politics....if/when he attacks someone, it will be a sight for those who miss the days when we fought to win and will require more than what Putin has been wreaking on the area....so far.


71 posted on 11/27/2018 4:10:01 AM PST by trebb (Those who don't donate anything tend to be empty gasbags...no-value-added types)
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I dunno.. sounds like more gas pipeline wars.. let Europe send their sons and daughters to those, including Syria... or freeze.
Morally, we have our own problems to fix like borders and election fraud.
I do agree this sounds eerily familiar like world war familiar. Some days i can’t decide whether i am reading history or current events. It’s just getting harder to tell who is the good guy we should be supporting from afar.
No American sons or daughters should be taking care of this, just yet.


72 posted on 11/27/2018 4:24:42 AM PST by momincombatboots (How many vetoed spending dollars with chuck n Nancy without wall funding?)
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FAKE NEWS!

Russia is RIGHT here. THEY were attacked! Provoked for Ukrainian internal political reasons.


73 posted on 11/27/2018 8:06:46 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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If President Trump had did anything, he would have been criticized for not doing enough. If he does this, he is faulted for not doing that. Anyway we have enough problems of our own to work on. Why do we need to stand with the Ukraine for moral reasons? Why do we need to stand with the Ukraine for National Security reasons. And last but not least, why do we need to stand with the Ukraine for political reasons?
80 posted on 11/27/2018 1:44:43 PM PST by sport
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