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How 102 Pilgrims crammed inside the Mayflower a year before their first Thanksgiving
San Jose Mercury ^ | November 20, 2018 | Jeff Goertzen

Posted on 11/21/2018 6:19:25 AM PST by artichokegrower

You’re crammed in a room, shoulder-to-shoulder with 100 other passengers.

It’s dark. It smells. It’s wet and very cold. There’s no privacy. No bathrooms. Your meals are pitiful — salted meat and a hard, dry biscuit. You, and people around you are sick, because the room is rocking side to side. There’s no fresh water and no change of clean clothes. In essence, you‘re trapped because land is thousands of miles away.

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A letter to editor in the local lib real rag stated that the pilgrims were the first illegal alien caravan coming to America. Actually they came to America after a trip of unimaginable hardship, faced 7 years of indentured servitude, no social services, and half of them died the first year. In other words no comparison.
1 posted on 11/21/2018 6:19:25 AM PST by artichokegrower
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"You’re crammed in a room, shoulder-to-shoulder with 100 other passengers. It’s dark. It smells. It’s wet and very cold. There’s no privacy. No bathrooms. Your meals are pitiful... "

Sounds like Delta airlines.

2 posted on 11/21/2018 6:22:36 AM PST by Flag_This (Liberals are locusts.)
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The first illegal aliens were the people who are now claiming “native” American status.


3 posted on 11/21/2018 6:22:53 AM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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A letter to editor in the local lib real rag stated that the pilgrims were the first illegal alien caravan coming to America.

Everything I needed to know about the ultimate cultural impact of unlimited immigration I learned from the American Indians.

4 posted on 11/21/2018 6:27:15 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Leave the job, leave the clearance. It should be the same rule for the Swamp as for everyone else.)
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Mine came here with John Smith.

The Mayflower had better odds than the Titanic.


5 posted on 11/21/2018 6:30:16 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know. how people are infected with Ebola.")
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The Indian men used to go hunting and fishing every day. The women raised the children and took care of the home.

What made us think we could improve upon that?


6 posted on 11/21/2018 6:30:45 AM PST by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
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If you check on the ale ‘stock’ onboard, there were two divided areas...one for the crew, and one for the passengers. Not to say all of the 102 sipped ale regularly...but historians kinda note that when they reached US coastline...the stock of Pilgrim ale was nearing an end-point. I might go and suggest that a fair number of Pilgrims were blitzed and never noticed an issue with the crammed nature of the boat.


7 posted on 11/21/2018 6:33:45 AM PST by pepsionice
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Ale travelled better than fresh water on those long trips, and had nutritional content too.


8 posted on 11/21/2018 6:37:52 AM PST by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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Europe and Asia has had cultures flourish, be destroyed, over run, a new one rise only to be destroyed in their turn.

There are no reservations in Europe for Visigoths of Huns.

Why are “native” Americans special as opposed to the other cultures that were destroyed?


9 posted on 11/21/2018 6:38:17 AM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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“During a storm on the journey, the main beam cracked. The Pilgrims fixed it with a large screw they had brought for housebuilding.”

Legend has it that the ‘screw’ was part of a printing press, not something for home building.


10 posted on 11/21/2018 6:43:31 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic is one stop shopping...It's the super Walmart for news.)
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I couldn’t read the article because it’s trying to plant tracking cookies in my browser, and those are blocked as are some advertising cookies. Regular honest cookies are not blocked.

The Pilgimes were NOT the first illegal aliens because this country didn’t have laws forbidding such just yet. There were a few years between 1621 and 1778 when this country became a new nation.

When my family came here in 1840, they had to pass through a port of call and request legal entry. It was only 60 years later.

So, these ignorant libs can take their lies and stick them where the sun don’t shine, and where everything else about them lives, and let the rest of us get on with living in freedom.


11 posted on 11/21/2018 6:53:08 AM PST by PrairieLady2
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I remember a witty definition of the Mayflower as being a small sea going vessel in which several million people came to America in the 1600s.


12 posted on 11/21/2018 6:57:21 AM PST by ArtDodger
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Not to mention, there was no sovereign nation here when the Pilgrims arrived. People yes. A nation no.


13 posted on 11/21/2018 6:57:38 AM PST by IronJack
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“A letter to editor in the local lib real rag stated that the pilgrims were the first illegal alien caravan coming to America.”

The above quote clearly indicates that the Indians of the past needed an immigration policy every bit as much as we need one today, and for the same reasons.


14 posted on 11/21/2018 6:59:23 AM PST by rgboomers (This space purposely left blank)
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Female relative not allowed on Titanic due to a cold. Rest of family waited with her so they all boarded next ship together.


15 posted on 11/21/2018 7:03:51 AM PST by gcparent (Justice Brett Kavanaugh)
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To: Flag_This

ROFL!!!!

Not a particularly great thread to post something hysterical. :)

But it was hysterical and I did laugh pretty hard!!

What a miserable ####ing trip that must have been.

The Pilgrims, not Delta :)


16 posted on 11/21/2018 7:05:19 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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“pilgrims were the first illegal alien caravan”

When someone spouts that drivel, ask them which section of the Indigenous Peoples Code was violated by the Pilgrims. If anything, their failure to pass and enforce immigration laws should serve as a warning to us today.


17 posted on 11/21/2018 7:06:59 AM PST by beef (The more they tighten their grip, the more blogs will slip through their fingers.)
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Listen I don’t lose sleep over it but I’m sure there was an Indian version of Trump saying “we can’t have these people coming!!!”


18 posted on 11/21/2018 7:07:06 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: PrairieLady2

Totally correct and I also could not read the article without disabling the adblocker, which I will not do.


19 posted on 11/21/2018 7:12:14 AM PST by Beowulf9
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“I am thankful for the common cold” should be offered at the Thanksgiving table.


20 posted on 11/21/2018 7:18:17 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know. how people are infected with Ebola.")
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