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Abraham Lincoln, The Gettysburg Address, November 19, 1863
Many | November 19, 1863 | Abraham Lincoln

Posted on 11/19/2018 8:39:26 AM PST by EveningStar

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To: PeaRidge

Of course, during Buchanan’s term, Confederate forces in Charleston fired on a ship flying the United States flag and did nothing about it. To my knowledge, firing on an unarmed ship on a peaceful mission is an act of war.
When the Confederates fired on Fort Sumter, they committed an act of war. Lincoln did not call for 75,000 volunteers because the Southern States had seceded, he did so because they launched an armed rebellion against the United States.


161 posted on 11/20/2018 6:50:46 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: jeffersondem

The Chief Justice cannot repeal the second amendment.
That takes another amendment according to the Constitution of the United States. Enough of the junior high school rhetoric on the subject.


162 posted on 11/20/2018 6:53:17 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: DiogenesLamp

Did the Union warships open fire on Charleston?
It didn’t matter. Davis ordered Beauregard to take the fort by force if necessary before it could be resupplied. The ships were twelve miles off of Charleston when Beauregard opened fire. No one fired on ay Confederate position, not the ships, not the Fort.


163 posted on 11/20/2018 6:59:33 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: DiogenesLamp

Davis fired on Fort Sumter. That is what precipitated the war. Davis’s Secretary of State told him it would be war, but he did it anyway. He would rather have a war than him and his slave holding backers losing money and power.


164 posted on 11/20/2018 7:02:20 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: DiogenesLamp

Your point


165 posted on 11/20/2018 7:03:22 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe
“The Chief Justice cannot repeal the second amendment.”

I . . . I . . . I thought under the federal supremacy clause of the constitution judges could vote to pass a law if it results in more fairness.

And suppose judges do vote to pass a law to repeal part of the constitution, what are you going to do about it?

Federal judges have a lifetime appointment, don't cha know.

166 posted on 11/20/2018 7:05:39 PM PST by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem

Might try and read the Constitution some day. “what are you going to do about it?” suppose you will run outside with your AR-15, and a few magazines of ammunition to defend your god give rights. Suspect it will read well in your obit.


167 posted on 11/20/2018 7:17:29 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: x

There was a time when I believed that the people on Free Republic understood the Constitution and the rights of men.

I was mistaken.


168 posted on 11/20/2018 7:25:24 PM PST by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Fair enough.


169 posted on 11/20/2018 8:24:06 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: PeaRidge
You left a rather important part out of Attorney General’s Blacks opinion, that states had no constitutional right to secede.
Also after Fort Sumter was fired on President Buchanan changed his tune and supported putting down the rebellion by force.
170 posted on 11/21/2018 3:53:08 AM PST by OIFVeteran
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To: jeffersondem
If Southerners were really sore losers, they would not have been so quick to forgive and forget.

Look around at most of your compatriots and it's clear that they haven't forgiven much less forgotten.

171 posted on 11/21/2018 4:29:56 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: PeaRidge
President Buchanan’s then Attorney General J. S. Black issued his opinion on this date to support the President. He wrote that neither the President nor Congress had the authority to conduct aggressive armed conflict. He wrote...

Earlier he wrote:

"If one of the States should declare her independence, your action cannot depend upon the rightfulness of the cause upon which such declaration is based. Whether the retirement of a State from the Union be the exercise of a right reserved in the Constitution or a revolutionary movement, it is certain that you have not in either case the authority to recognize her independence or to absolve her from Federal obligations. Congress or the other States in convention assembled must take such measures as may be necessary and proper. In such an event, I see no course for you but to go straight onward in the path you have hitherto trodden, that is, execute the laws to the extent of the defensive means placed in your hands, and act generally upon the assumption that the present constitutional relations between the States and the Federal Government continue to exist until a new order of things shall be established, either by law or force."

172 posted on 11/21/2018 4:47:48 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Bull Snipe

“suppose you will run outside with your AR-15, and a few magazines of ammunition to defend your god give rights. Suspect it will read well in your obit.”

President Trump has graciously pardoned two turkeys this week. I guess now it is my duty to pardon one.

Have a happy Thanksgiving!


173 posted on 11/21/2018 6:22:31 AM PST by jeffersondem
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To: DoodleDawg

“Look around at most of your compatriots and it’s clear that they haven’t forgiven much less forgotten.”

My, my. What a thing to say.

That aside, I hope you and your family have a safe and happy Thanksgiving.


174 posted on 11/21/2018 6:29:37 AM PST by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem

Hope you and your loved ones Thanks Giving is enjoyable. We have much to give thanks for.


175 posted on 11/21/2018 7:30:32 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: jeffersondem; rockrr
Brings to mind the oral history of the Choctaws who had a saying that phonetically looks like: Katta achaffa olkut asuv ofi filvmisa.

Translated: When the guardian angel of life urinates on your flintlock rifle, you know your luck has done run out.

I should have realized that you weren't up for a serious discussion but just wanted to indulge in third-rate buffoonery.

176 posted on 11/21/2018 12:31:16 PM PST by x
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To: DiogenesLamp
You don't have to do much massaging to notice that Southern exports produced 75-85% of all European trade with the US.

You don't have to be a rocket surgeon to follow a money trail as big as this one.

But apparently you need to be a 'rocket surgeon' to come to the conclusions that you have. Which would explain a lot.

177 posted on 11/21/2018 2:11:54 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Bull Snipe
You could at least be honest.

The ship, Star of the West, originally civilian, had just been pressed into military service to avoid alarming the Charleston citizenry, and outfitted for battle. It carried 200 troops armed with muskets, war munitions, arms, and supplies for one year.

It was a military expedition force designed to enter a non-Union port and land against local authority.

The Governor of South Carolina had just announced that any attempted improvement in military status by the Union would constitute an act of war.

There is your act of war.

The Union ship's company and 200 troops should have been appreciative that the Charleston citizens and Citadel students let them escape unharmed.

178 posted on 11/22/2018 6:21:52 AM PST by PeaRidge
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To: PeaRidge

Gona need more than your say so. Cite a source for the claim that the “Star of the West” was carrying troops, arms, and ammunition in addition to provisions.


179 posted on 11/22/2018 7:29:36 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

You just don’t think that you might be ignorant of these events, do you?


180 posted on 11/22/2018 1:48:49 PM PST by PeaRidge
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