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Let Forest Fires Burn? What the Black-Backed Woodpecker Knows.A scientific debate is intensifying
DNC vetted then released by the NY Times ^ | Aug. 6, 2017 Yes 2017 | Justin Gillis

Posted on 11/10/2018 7:04:47 PM PST by NoLibZone

Scientists at the cutting edge of ecological research, Dr. Hanson among them, argue that the century-old American practice of suppressing wildfires has been nothing less than a calamity. They are calling for a new approach that basically involves letting backcountry fires burn across millions of acres.

In principle, the federal government accepted a version of this argument years ago, but in practice, fires are still routinely stamped out across much of the country. To the biologists, that has imperiled the plants and animals — hundreds of them, it turns out — that prefer to live in recently burned forests.

“From an ecological standpoint, everything I’ve learned teaches me this is a good idea: Stop putting out fires,” said Jennifer R. Marlon, a geographer at Yale who was among the first to use the term “fire deficit” to describe the situation. “These forests are made to have fire.”

Efforts to suppress fires began in the 19th century, largely motivated by the view that forests should be seen as standing timber with economic value. By the 1930s, industrial-scale techniques allowed firefighting agencies, including the United States Forest Service, to suppress fires across the landscape.

A handful of scientists began arguing decades ago that this was a mistake. Over the past decade or so, the research has crystallized into a new understanding of the role of fire in forests.

Scientists who want to let more fires burn take pains to make clear that they do not mean to put people’s lives on the line. In fact, they believe the government could make people safer than they are today if it redirected funds into community fire-safety projects.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: fires; forestmanagement; trumpprovedcorrect
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To: daniel1212

Currently we are living in a CO2 drought as measured by past geologic times. When CO2 levels were multiple times higher than today plant life flourished on earth and great beasts roamed the land and swamps and swam the seas due to much food.

Life flourishing on earth is directly related to CO2 levels as CO2 is plant food. The geologic record is clear on this point.

During the time of the Dinosaurs CO2 levels were several times greater than today. Life flourished and those dinosaurs had a lot of plants and other dinosaurs to eat.

245 million years ago we also had the great Permian extinction. Most terrestrial animal life perished as did most in the sea. At the same time was a CO2 drought. This was probably due to geology and the eruption of the Siberian and Deccan Traps. Massive amounts of lava over thousands of years occurred and changed the atmosphere.

CO2 plummeted and life died. After this CO2 levels rose to greater levels than today. This became the day of the dinosaurs.

Oddly today our CO2 levels are near the extinction levels in the Great Permian Die Out of Life.

In the Miocene we had a shark called Megladon. He is identical to our Great White Shark of today except he was about three times larger. He was larger because he had much available food that was also larger. CO2 was also much greater than. Life flourished then.


121 posted on 11/13/2018 9:17:52 PM PST by cpdiii (Cane Cutter, Deckhand,Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: daniel1212

Currently we are living in a CO2 drought as measured by past geologic times. When CO2 levels were multiple times higher than today plant life flourished on earth and great beasts roamed the land and swamps and swam the seas due to much food.

Life flourishing on earth is directly related to CO2 levels as CO2 is plant food. The geologic record is clear on this point.

During the time of the Dinosaurs CO2 levels were several times greater than today. Life flourished and those dinosaurs had a lot of plants and other dinosaurs to eat.

245 million years ago we also had the great Permian extinction. Most terrestrial animal life perished as did most in the sea. At the same time was a CO2 drought. This was probably due to geology and the eruption of the Siberian and Deccan Traps. Massive amounts of lava over thousands of years occurred and changed the atmosphere.

CO2 plummeted and life died. After this CO2 levels rose to greater levels than today. This became the day of the dinosaurs.

Oddly today our CO2 levels are near the extinction levels in the Great Permian Die Out of Life.

In the Miocene we had a shark called Megladon. He is identical to our Great White Shark of today except he was about three times larger. He was larger because he had much available food that was also larger. CO2 was also much greater than. Life flourished then.


122 posted on 11/13/2018 9:27:49 PM PST by cpdiii (Cane Cutter, Deckhand,Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: cpdiii
We are looking for warmth here. And you must have seen this:

NASA Scientist Warns: The Lack Of Sunspots Could Bring Record Cold

11/13/2018, 1:24:36 PM · by blam · 41 replies SHTF Plan ^ | 11-13-2018 “The sun is entering one of the deepest Solar Minima of the Space Age,” wrote Dr. Tony Phillips just six weeks ago, on September 27, 2018. The lack of sunspots on our sun could bring about record cold temperatures, and perhaps even a mini ice age. Sunspots have been absent for most of 2018 and Earth’s upper atmosphere is responding, says Phillips, the editor of spaceweather.com. “The bad news,” according to Phillips, is: “It also delays the natural decay of space junk, resulting in a more cluttered environment around Earth.” “It could happen in a matter of months,” says Martin.

123 posted on 11/15/2018 2:26:37 AM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: TADSLOS
These people are insane.

Their insanity makes them evil. They do not even know they are evil.

Oddly they are correct about the environment if it was not shared by man. Where man lives the environment will be changed.

What they really want is man removed from the environment and confined to metropolitan areas.

124 posted on 11/15/2018 12:10:54 PM PST by cpdiii (Cane Cutter, Deckhand,Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: NoLibZone

http://www.pushback.com/Wattenburg/articles/NowTheyHaveBurnedLosAlamos.html

For me this is the definitive writing on managing forest fires. Dr. Wattenberg had let night radio show from the bay area. He worked at Lawrence Livermore Lans and was called the smartest man you can talk to for free (on the radio).

The state of Cal ignored him on gasoline additives and clearing underbrush from forests, He died 3 months ago, but his work is on the internet.


125 posted on 11/17/2018 11:24:44 AM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: reasonisfaith

“This theory is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.”

Actually, the problem is you haven’t heard anything but liberal propaganda to put out forest fires.


126 posted on 11/17/2018 11:33:06 AM PST by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and America!.)
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To: reasonisfaith

“We need to manage the forests by physically removing all the built up brush and immature trees,”

Exactly how much effort is that?? This is a pretty big country and when you grow up may be your mommy and daddy will take you out and show it to you.


127 posted on 11/17/2018 11:34:44 AM PST by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and America!.)
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To: reasonisfaith

“It never makes sense to let fires burn “

Why?? Provide specific reasons why a perfectly natural thing like fire that occurred long before man existed in these forests doesn’t make sense.


128 posted on 11/17/2018 11:37:08 AM PST by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and America!.)
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To: CodeToad

You mean the liberal propaganda to let fires burn?


129 posted on 11/18/2018 5:50:42 AM PST by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: CodeToad

Maybe we need to review what liberalism is.

Currently, liberalism is the side that favors socialism. It tends to lead its adherents to oppose everything American, including the right to private property and the right to defend oneself. Liberalism also strongly tends to oppose God. The absurdity of liberalism is far too extensive to list here. But to frame the general concept, liberalism accepts the assertion that male and female are biologically interchangeable.


130 posted on 11/18/2018 5:58:20 AM PST by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: CodeToad

Something has caused you to feel personal animus against me. You should think about it, because it’s very likely the result of something like chaotic thinking, and other undesirable problems in your mind.


131 posted on 11/18/2018 6:01:07 AM PST by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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