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Faults are found on TWO Boeing 737 Max 8 jets (TR)
UK Daily Mail ^ | 11/02/2018 | AFP and Chris Pleasance

Posted on 11/02/2018 9:55:17 AM PDT by DFG

Inspectors have found faults on two other Boeing 737 MAX jets including one which mirrors a problem reported on board the Lion Air plane which crashed on Monday.

Indonesian ministers ordered inspections on all MAX jets after the nearly-new Boeing, which is also used by the likes of United, Norwegian and Ryanair, came down killing all 189 people on board.

The transport ministry said on Monday that it had looked at over half a dozen jets so far and discovered that one had a problem linked to its cockpit display while another had a glitch in a jet stabilisation system.

Both planes are owned by Lion and will require new components to fix the issue.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 737; 737max; aerospace; boeing; boeing737; boeing737max; lionair; max
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To: woodbutcher1963

They fly other 737s -—not this one.

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21 posted on 11/02/2018 11:09:48 AM PDT by Mears
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To: z3n

Multiple “blue screens of death”. (pardon the pun)


22 posted on 11/02/2018 11:18:01 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE
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To: LukeL

Pilot error.


23 posted on 11/02/2018 11:22:22 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Revel

Boeing allows the pilot to over ride the computer, though.

Airbus does not.


24 posted on 11/02/2018 11:25:46 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: woodbutcher1963

Up until last April, Southwest had never had a death due to an accident in their 47-year history.


25 posted on 11/02/2018 11:25:48 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Every time a lefty cries "racism", a Trump voter gets his wings.)
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To: DFG

“Stephen Wright, an aviation expert at the University of Leeds, told AFP that the faults identified by the transport ministry in the two other Boeing jets were “very minor.” “


26 posted on 11/02/2018 11:28:06 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Jeff Chandler

SW killed someone on the ground in a runway overrun, IIRC.
Flight 1248.


27 posted on 11/02/2018 11:29:46 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: READINABLUESTATE

Multiple “blue screens of death”. (pardon the pun)

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...as mister paperclip pops up while you’re in an uncontrolled spiral; “Would you like help with anything?”


28 posted on 11/02/2018 11:30:41 AM PDT by z3n
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To: Mears

OK, sorry I mistakenly believed what I heard on TV recently.
Somebody on FOX or ABC or some other TV reported said SW and another US major flew the same planes.


29 posted on 11/02/2018 11:31:14 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: woodbutcher1963; Mears

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/2018/10/29/lion-air-crash-southwest-american-use-same-new-boeing-plane/1804858002/

Southwest Airlines and American Airlines operate the same new Boeing 737 involved in the fatal Lion Air crash in Indonesia.

Southwest Airlines was the first airline in North America to offer scheduled service on the Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft, with its first flight from Dallas to Houston in October 2017.

Southwest CEO Gary Kelly praised the plane’s fuel efficiency and quieter engines when the service was launched.

“The Max 8 is the future of the Southwest fleet,’’ he said at the time.

Southwest had 23 175-seat Max 8s in its fleet of 742 aircraft as of Sept. 30, and has orders for more.


30 posted on 11/02/2018 11:35:12 AM PDT by DFG
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To: DFG

Thaksn for that info—— I knew they didn’t fly ONLY the MAX,but was unaware that they had any.

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31 posted on 11/02/2018 11:40:31 AM PDT by Mears
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To: DFG

This is what I love about FR. There is always somebody who is an expert on the subject and knows more than me. Thanks FRiend.


32 posted on 11/02/2018 11:41:02 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: cymbeline

“Wouldn’t there be two sets of displays, one for the pilot and one for the co-pilot. My guess is that they are as independent as possible from each other.”

I flew “right seat” in my BILs Cessna Citation X a few months ago. It has the same glass cockpit as the 737s. There are two separate sets of displays showing the same information. There are also the typical flight instruments that are independent and have no computer interfaces. A good pilot would be cross-checking the “glass displays” with the std instruments.


33 posted on 11/02/2018 11:50:45 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Revel
When you turn all control over to computers and software then it is inevitable that at some-point something is going to go wrong and people are going to die.

Since automation has become the primary flight method, air disasters have dropped substantially.

I fly a lot, and personally, I get concerned on CRJ flights when the teenager up in the cockpit takes control away from the autopilot early. I'd rather he/she take it at the threshold until their acne goes away.

34 posted on 11/02/2018 11:56:37 AM PDT by Magnatron
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To: DFG

Fly by Wire problem.
Auto-pilot goes haywire from erroneous input data, pilot takes over but computer sets safety limits the pilot can’t overcome.

Airspeed read as too fast, auto-pilot cuts power, pilot takes over, tries to increase speed but safety limits built into the computer refuses to allow it.
Stalls due to attitude, falls.
Just a guess.


35 posted on 11/02/2018 12:15:03 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: DFG

Boeing should completely move out of Renton where libs make the planes.


36 posted on 11/02/2018 12:17:34 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~~Trump 2020~~ There needs to be a quieting of the screaming lambs.)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

Wow..... it ain’t yer daddy’s instrument panel

Where’s the altimeter?


37 posted on 11/02/2018 12:20:42 PM PDT by bert ((KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Invade Honduras. Provide a military government)
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To: Vinnie

Unless Boeing’s design philosophy has changed, the pilot is always able to override the computer inputs by simply “hand flying” the airplane using conventional flight controls The auto throttles are not the autopilot. The auto throttles, if engaged, would sense an overspeed condition and reduce thrust, not “cut power.”
All of your power speculation has nothing to do with “fly by Wire.” Whatever happened will be determined after recovery of the Black, (actually orange) box. (actually a cylinder)
The Airbus someone mentioned will not allow the pilot to stall the airplane. Cheers.


38 posted on 11/02/2018 12:31:53 PM PDT by BatGuano
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To: bert
You can say that again.
39 posted on 11/02/2018 12:33:56 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

As Dad used to say; the guys in B-17s had leather seats and ashtrays in the arm rests, the B-24, not so much.


40 posted on 11/02/2018 12:42:45 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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