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Anatomy Does Not Determine Gender, Experts Say
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Posted on 10/23/2018 1:28:56 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

Anatomy Does Not Determine Gender, Experts Say

By Denise Grady

Oct. 22, 2018

Defining gender as a condition determined strictly by a person’s genitals is based on a notion that doctors and scientists abandoned long ago as oversimplified and often medically meaningless.

Researchers who have studied gender issues and provided health care to people who do not fit the typical M/F pigeonholes said that the Trump administration’s latest plan to define gender goes beyond the limits of scientific knowledge.

“The idea that a person’s sex is determined by their anatomy at birth is not true, and we’ve known that it’s not true for decades,” said Dr. Joshua D. Safer, an endocrinologist and executive director of the Center for Transgender Medicine and Surgery at Mount Sinai Health System in New York. He is also president of the United States Professional Association of Transgender Health.

But exactly what does determine gender identity — a person’s powerful, core knowledge of who they are — is not so clear.

“We know that there is a significant, durable biological underpinning to gender identity,” Dr. Safer said. “What we don’t know are all of the biological factors at play that explain gender identity. As far as we in the mainstream biological-medical community understand it in 2018, it is hard-wired, it is biological, it is not entirely hormonal, and we do not have identified genes, so we cannot specifically say it is genetic.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
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To: Sub-Driver

These are the same kind of so-called scientific experts that think that carbon dioxide, the breath of life for their cherished verdancy, is a planet-ravaging pollutant.


121 posted on 10/23/2018 2:24:25 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: IronJack

Gender is a linguistic term. Let us indeed talk about sex instead.

C. S. Lewis brilliantly delineated between the two in books such as That Hideous Strength.


122 posted on 10/23/2018 2:27:17 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: Sub-Driver

Yet the billionth time “experts” are wrong.


123 posted on 10/23/2018 2:32:32 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Science usually takes extreme data points and does not even consider them.


124 posted on 10/23/2018 2:43:48 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Sub-Driver
“The idea that a person’s sex is determined by their anatomy at birth is not true, and we’ve known that it’s not true for decades,” said Dr. Joshua D. Safer, an endocrinologist and executive director of the Center for Transgender Medicine and Surgery at Mount Sinai Health System in New York. He is also president of the United States Professional Association of Transgender Health.

Well, of course that would be his opinion. Look who is writing his paycheck. DUH!

125 posted on 10/23/2018 2:53:06 PM PDT by upchuck (Definition of a Republican registered to vote but doesn't on Nov 6: A DEMOCRAT!)
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To: justa-hairyape

It’s called B I O L O G Y. You know, based on science and stuff.


126 posted on 10/23/2018 2:55:02 PM PDT by salmon76 (A Red Wall will stop a Blue Wave every time, so BUILD THE WALL!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Reviewing the anatomy is MY first step to determine someone’s gender . . . and brother, I have witnessed some mighty fine anatomy in my day!!!!!!


127 posted on 10/23/2018 2:59:33 PM PDT by RatRipper (The Democrat Party is the party of liars, swindlers, cheats and unbridled immorality.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Chromosomes.


128 posted on 10/23/2018 3:00:30 PM PDT by I want the USA back (The country is suffering from a hysterical obsession with race, skin color and national origin.)
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To: gundog

You mean that 0.0001 percent of the population? Yeah, why don’t we redefine our entire concept of humanity to accommodate a statistical aberration.


129 posted on 10/23/2018 3:03:43 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: reaganaut1

Gender is a term applying to grammar, I think. The Left is trying to destroy our language to hurt our perception of reality so we can’t realize the failure of their policies or perceive how evil they are.


130 posted on 10/23/2018 3:05:27 PM PDT by Stepan12 (It is Civll War right now..)
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To: Sub-Driver

So an endocrinologist and executive director of the Center for Transgender Medicine and Surgery says it’s true...

Must be then.


131 posted on 10/23/2018 3:09:39 PM PDT by Magnatron
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To: Sub-Driver

Can I identify as a paraplegic albino rhinoceros with a lion’s mane and deer antlers?


132 posted on 10/23/2018 3:10:15 PM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: DesertRhino

The “gender is a grammar construct” is a fake argument introduced in the 90’s by the new “gender studies” academics. A word being masculine or feminine has nothing remotely to do with a person being male or female. A female can have masculine traits and a man can be feminine, but that has no effect on their gender. Look up Gender in a dictionary from the 80’s and you will find no references to such rubbish. Regardless of subject (pipe fittings, nut’s and bolts, electrical plugs or biology), you will find 3 options; Male, Female and None/Neutral. They want to change the language to the point there are no words to convey your argument. Maybe next, your official govt id will have to define you as cisgender or trans, since male or female are no longer legitimate genders?


133 posted on 10/23/2018 3:10:19 PM PDT by ETCM
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To: Sub-Driver

Pegged my BS meter!

Now, I have traveled East,
And, I have traveled West,
And, I hope to travel some more!
But I have never seen a man’s genitals on a woman,
Or a woman’s genitals on a man!


134 posted on 10/23/2018 3:10:55 PM PDT by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.)
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To: Sub-Driver

"Experts"? Riiiight ...


135 posted on 10/23/2018 3:15:01 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Blood of Tyrants
And the other experts who disagree are terrified of saying it publicly.
136 posted on 10/23/2018 3:17:23 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Sub-Driver

“’The idea that a person’s sex is determined by their anatomy at birth is not true, and we’ve known that it’s not true for decades,’ said Dr. Joshua D. Safer, an endocrinologist and executive director of the Center for Transgender Medicine and Surgery at Mount Sinai Health System in New York. He is also president of the United States Professional Association of Transgender Health.”

It makes my head hurt just hearing the pretzel logic when someone like this, who is supposedly an expert on the subject, pontificates about it.

Anatomy does not “determine,” in the sense of causing, biological sex. Biological sex determines anatomy. And this is not “determined” at birth but at conception.

However, biological sex is “determined,” in the sense of a person recognizing through observation, by anatomy, primarily. Only if the anatomy is questionable does additional observation to “determine” biological sex need to happen. Every cell of the body contains the genetic evidence for whether a human is male or female.

When a deceptive fool such as this doctor speaks, it does not result in anyone being more enlightened or educated. It results in confusion and more deception, which is the obvious aim of the article.

The “gender expression” people have may be defined as how they view masculinity and femininity and which and to what degree they identify with these expressions. Fine. But that is a personal matter that no one else has to know, and certainly does not give one person the right to demand that everyone else conform to their views by forcing them to recognize them as being a different biological sex than what their DNA proves.

“Defining gender as a condition determined strictly by a person’s genitals is based on a notion that doctors and scientists abandoned long ago as oversimplified and often medically meaningless.”

Pretending that a person’s biological sex is “oversimplified” and “meaningless” is an affront to logic, reason, education, ethics, morality, and every rational thought process. This “doctor” should be locked up and not practicing medicine.

Some day NYT will be burned to the ground, and I will dance a jig and celebrate. This company is one of the leading proponents of the Rape of the Mind, which its members are engaging in on mass scale.


137 posted on 10/23/2018 3:18:02 PM PDT by unlearner (A war is coming.)
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To: Fungi
Or, since weather is the thing, the global biosphere that sucks and fumes a noetic energy that society belongs to is absolute.
138 posted on 10/23/2018 3:24:20 PM PDT by aspasia
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To: Sub-Driver

Obviously the whole “DNA thing” is a mystery to this guy!


139 posted on 10/23/2018 3:25:43 PM PDT by Reily
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To: JusPasenThru

You posted that as sarcasm I hope.


140 posted on 10/23/2018 3:37:25 PM PDT by Clean_Sweep
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