You can bet he's proud of it too. Won't admit it in public. But helped to make it happen. That much was painfully-obvious. Repeatedly.
Posted on 10/17/2018 9:59:00 PM PDT by Main Street
A Bronx man trying to enjoy lunch at his favorite pizza joint had his face slashed and his eye socket broken with what he described as “a Mike Tyson punch” in an unprovoked bias attack, the victim told The Post. Chris Bilcik, 59, said he was sitting alone in Ray’s Pizza on East 138th Street on Oct. 6 when the unhinged man walked in, grabbed a slice of his own, and launched into a racially charged diatribe for no apparent reason.
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I didn't see him confront the guy at all until he was assaulted and then it looked to me to be an instinctive move of self defense against a surprising unprovoked attack.
They weren't looking on in bewilderment. They were following orders from zero, waters and holder. Bilcik needs to find a less diverse pizzeria.
David Brock. Flaming gay.
“this guy is sort of a wimp.....you don’t just sit there and take belittlement and then you’re reaction is to move to another table?..”
Homeless/crazies often talk sh** but extremely few will actually harm someone. I’ve lived in nyc longer than this guy and encountered my fair share of “talkers”. Neither I nor anyone I know was ever touched by one.
If you engage them, it’s a far higher chance you’ll escalate their madness and get stabbed with a rusty knife.
“I didn’t see him confront the guy at all”
That’s not the point. There was an aggressive man, and judging by his conduct, probably a nutcase. Good sense tells you to stay away. As far away as you can. I would never go within arm’s reach of such a person, unless I was ready to be attacked.
If a nutcase did attack me, unless I were ready to deal with him in some effective way, I would retreat instead of throwing a drink on him.
When you are dealing with the mentally disabled, considerations of free speech must be overridden by considerations of personal safety.
This guy did not take care of his personal safety.
So just give up the nation and slink away as the invaders move in and claim it all with aggressive behaviors? No, thanks. I'll defend my home and my country. You can be a cuck all you want.
If it were me, I would have just left, I don't care what the guy was saying. If the guy had laid hands on me, that obviously changes things.
But throwing coffee at the black guy was excuse enough for the guy to slug him.
IMO, If the situations were reversed, and the black guy threw coffee on the white guy who was slinging unprovoked insults at the black guy who then slugged him in retaliation, we would all be satisfied that the white guy was responding to a physical provocation even though we might readily acknowledge he was being an idiot by verbally assaulting the black guy..
I sided completely with the white guy as I read, even when he moved to another table, but as soon as he threw the coffee, well, that would be an assault in my book.
There are places where you can avoid the feral savages still. If you could defend yourself where you are, stay. I enjoy carrying every day because I know where I go there is almost no possibility I will need it. I could not imagine having to go about in public with my current situational awareness in an environment containing a perpetual stream of predators through it. A basic premise of psychology is every organism will move to a location of less perceived threat. Whatever one thinks of psychology the basic tenets are pretty solid.
“but as soon as he threw the coffee, well, that would be an assault in my book.”
He lost me when he walked right up to the guy.
Who, when a lunatic is berating him, does that?
Agreed. Verbal insults are one thing. Physical assaults are another.
If you are going to make the decision to get physical by throwing coffee on someone (especially if it is boiling hot) you better be prepared to go all the way to a fight to the death, because if you think the person will respond with a similarly measured retaliation, you are asking for trouble.
IE, you shove him and expect he is going to shove you back in retaliation instead of breaking a chair over your head, fracturing your skull and killing you, then you are stupid, plain and simple.
As someone who occasionally carries, you have to keep in mind that if you unholster your weapon, you better be in a situation that justifies its use, and when you use it, you use it with deadly intent. Not shooting someone in the leg or the shoulder, but in the chest to disable or kill, and be justified in that action.
That is why, in a situation like that, you simply remove yourself from the situation. You walk past the barrage of racist violent language and leave. Walk away. Especially if you are carrying. It is your responsibility to be the adult.
Throwing a cup of coffee at someone, even if they are verbally assaulting you and being surprised that they physically kick your ass is infantile.
I misread it. I thought he was just leaving, throwing out his trash from his meal and the guy was waiting by the door, the guy was verbally assaulting him, and he threw coffee on him and got slugged in the face.
What actually happened was:
The guy was harassed, moved to another table and the black guy followed him to his table.
The guy got up to leave, and as he was throwing out his trash, the black guy hit him.
The white guy then threw coffee on the black guy.
The black guy slugged him.
My post above sounds stupid and is wrong in that context.
The guy was justified in throwing coffee on him, but totally stupid in not following that thrown coffee with his own punch to the face and a kick in the face while the guy was down, repeatedly until the guy stopped moving.
My apologies, I got it all wrong by missing that one line.
“That is why, in a situation like that, you simply remove yourself from the situation. You walk past the barrage of racist violent language and leave. Walk away. Especially if you are carrying. It is your responsibility to be the adult.”
It is your responsibility to be the sane one. You really shouldn’t kill crazy people for being obnoxious. I’d have gone out the back way if I had to.
“My post above sounds stupid and is wrong in that context.”
Well, no, not really. The guy should have maintained distance between the nut and himself. Had he done that, the guy wouldn’t have been able to strike him.
And I still maintain that throwing the coffee was an extremely unwise response.
The South giggles.
I think we agree on this, I feel the same way. When in the presence of an unstable person, just leave. No good will come of it.
The white guy was trying to leave the pizza parlor. The perp was standing next to the door. NY Pizza places tend to have only one way in and out. So either he hide in the back of the restaurant, cornered, or he has to walk past this guy to get out. He was trying to do the latter. Remember, this is in NYC. I've been there plenty, there are lots of kooks standing around saying crazy things. You try to avoid them but sometimes you have to get close to them to get away from them. It's just how it is there and I'm sure this guy has also seen lots of kooks in his day.
I guess we'll have to just disagree on this. He didn't throw his drink until after he was attacked. Then he ran. You see him as partially culpable, I don't. It's all a matter of opinion and perspective anyway, neither of us was there.
Thanks; it is unavoidable here in NJ.
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