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Dems fear party is headed to gutter from Avenatti’s sledgehammer approach
The Hill ^ | 10/15/18 | AMIE PARNES

Posted on 10/15/2018 2:28:22 PM PDT by yesthatjallen

Michael Avenatti’s attacks on the Democratic establishment are creating new friction as the party debates how abrasive an approach to take against President Trump.

Avenatti, who is stoking the possibility that he could run for president, calls prominent party strategists “out of touch” and “clueless” about how to win against Trump and Republicans.

“I think they’re out of touch. I don't think they understand what’s required,” Avenatti said in an interview with The Hill on Monday.

“I think they’re clueless. We’re not living in 2012 or 2008 or 1992 anymore," he said. "You've got to engage in smash-mouth politics if you're going to beat Donald Trump.”

Democrats warn that Avenatti is dragging their party into the gutter, and they argue the Stormy Daniels attorney hurt the party’s efforts to block Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation.

“There's a difference between getting in the gutter and being tough, and I don’t think Michael Avenatti understands that,” Patti Solis Doyle, Democratic strategist and former campaign manager to Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign, said in an interview.

“This isn't a strategy, this is a spectacle,” she added. “And the spectacle is great for getting a lot of Twitter followers and retweets, but when push comes to shove ... what's he doing for the party?”

Democrats question Avenatti’s motives during the Kavanaugh fight.

The lawyer represented a woman named Julie Swetnick who in a public declaration said that she had witnessed Kavanaugh attending parties in the early 1980s where she said he had fondled and grabbed girls without their consent. She also alleged that at some parties, young men had lined up to “gang rape” young women who had become incapacitated from drinking.

Kavanaugh denied the allegations, and Democratic senators generally stayed away from them during the public debate over the nomination. Republicans pounced, arguing Trump’s nominee was being victimized by a smear campaign and arguing the involvement of Avenatti proved it.

A senior Democratic aide told The Hill that Avenatti was counterproductive to their efforts to stop Kavanaugh and defend Ford’s credibility.

“He f---ed it all up,” the aide said.

Avenatti—who spent the weekend headlining events for the South Carolina Democratic Party and the Horry County Party— is unapologetic for his approach.

“I’m traveling around America and people are very enthusiastic about me potentially running and my approach and my message,” he said in the interview with The Hill. “So perhaps Patti and others should venture outside the Beltway and start talking to rank and file Democrats.”

Avenatti maintains he's serious about running for president. He has been informally seeking advice from Adam Parkhomenko, an adviser to Hillary Clinton, among other Democratic operatives.

He's convinced the only way to beat Trump is to beat him at his own game.

“Democrats are not going to beat Donald Trump by engaging in wishy washy yammering ways of the past,” he said. "It’s never going to happen. The only way you’re going beat him is by hitting him twice as hard as he hits you. He is a classic bully and that’s how you deal with bullies.”

Some of Avenatti’s antics have rubbed Democrats the wrong way.

As an example, some criticized his suggestion last week that he wants to take on Donald Trump Jr. in a mixed martial arts fight for charity.

Avenatti and Solis Doyle got into it on Twitter over the weekend after Solis Doyle penned an opinion piece on CNN.com in which she said the best way for the party to win back the White House was not to employ Avenatti’s tactics.

“If you get in the gutter with Trump, no one will be able to tell the difference between the two of you,” she wrote. “A three-round mixed martial arts fight between Avenatti and Donald Trump Jr. may be a spectacle to rival one of Trump's press conferences, but really have we gone that low?"

In response, Avenatti took to Twitter: “Establishment Dems like @PattiSolisDoyle are the problem,” he wrote. “They are why we continue to get beat and why we are presently in a fight for the survival of this republic. Their weak approaches are why we lost 2000, lost 2016, never got a Garland vote, etc etc.:

Other Democrats including Lis Smith, the longtime Democratic operative who worked for former President Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign also weighed in on Twitter, pushing back on Avenatti.

“…I’ve spent 15 years in the trenches knife fighting, and gosh it’s funny, I just don’t remember seeing you there,” Smith wrote. “Winning elections is about more than just talking tough on Twitter and TV.”

Some strategists say Avenatti’s tone towards “establishment Democrats” has been largely unhelpful to a splintered Democratic Party.

“If he wants to run, he should be focused on building coalitions instead of demeaning people who’ve spent their lives in public service,” said Basil Smikle, the Democratic strategist who served as an aide to Hillary Clinton. "Many of us are content to work behind the scenes and be advocates for good people and good policy."

Avenatti says that he isn’t the one picking fights with Democrats. He’s merely responding to their criticism.

“People like Patti and other should back off and stop going after me,” he continued, adding that they “see me as a threat.”

“I don't take shots at any Democrats first,” he said. “I only respond when certain Democrats attack me. If they come after me, I’m going to hit back twice as hard.”


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The honeymoon is over.
1 posted on 10/15/2018 2:28:22 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: yesthatjallen
"You've got to engage in smash-mouth politics if you're going to beat Donald Trump.”

Says the guy whose same strategy failed miserably against Kavanaugh.

2 posted on 10/15/2018 2:31:46 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: yesthatjallen

Creepy Porn Lawyer is a hand grenade with the pin pulled.

Pass the popcorn, please.


3 posted on 10/15/2018 2:31:58 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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Dems fear party is headed to gutter from Avenatti’s sledgehammer approach

He can hook up with Alexandria Occasional-Cortex, Pocahontas Warren, and Cory Spurticus Booker, and take over the whole country.

Great video, BTW: Sledgehammer, by Peter Gabriel.

4 posted on 10/15/2018 2:33:07 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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To: yesthatjallen

I doubt Avenatti has any significance with anyone when it comes to voting.


5 posted on 10/15/2018 2:34:50 PM PDT by be-baw (still seeking...)
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To: yesthatjallen
Hwy Avenatti...watch and weep the 60 minutes interview with Trump

So how he handles "smash mouth" with ease...no teleprompter, notes nor radio ear plug involved.

You got anyone that can do that...?

6 posted on 10/15/2018 2:35:02 PM PDT by spokeshave2 (The Paradigm has shifted...the New World Order is Trumpian.)
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To: yesthatjallen

Avenatti has no charisma

He sounds like a mob attorney


7 posted on 10/15/2018 2:35:58 PM PDT by bert ((KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Muller..... conspiracy to over throw the government)
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To: Steely Tom

I prefer the 80s sitcom.

Trust me, I know what I’m doing.


8 posted on 10/15/2018 2:37:38 PM PDT by wally_bert (I will competently make sure the thing is done incompetently.)
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To: yesthatjallen

If this isn’t a case for schadenfreude, than nothing is. For the Libs to be done in by CPL is too rich! Be still my beating heart....


9 posted on 10/15/2018 2:39:09 PM PDT by Lockbox
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To: yesthatjallen

He probably did negatively impact the plan to take down Kavanaugh.

By the time he brought out charges of rape rooms, it became clear to more poeple that this whole thing against Kavanaugh was too unbelievable to be real. And was obviously a political hit, no one could deny it by the time we get to the rape room story.


10 posted on 10/15/2018 2:39:50 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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Headed to the gutter. No you have been there for a long, long time.


11 posted on 10/15/2018 2:39:59 PM PDT by mulligan (EeThe)
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[Avenatti, who is stoking the possibility that he could run for president]

Please, PLEASE DO IT!

Avenatti/Hillary 2020!!!

(I will need more popcorn)


12 posted on 10/15/2018 2:44:03 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: mulligan

The gutter would be a step up.


13 posted on 10/15/2018 2:44:33 PM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Creepy Porn Lawyer is a hand grenade with the pin pulled.

Yep, now the dems are getting an idea of how things work if you hold on to a 6 second fused grenade for 7 seconds.


14 posted on 10/15/2018 2:44:45 PM PDT by redcatcherb412
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As far as the Avenatti/Stormy Daniels strategy goes, as it unfolded I couldn't help but think of something I read long ago.

It was about the method used to eliminate screwworm infestations; the screwworm is a nasty fly that lays its eggs in live cattle.

The technique used was to raise millions of male screwworms in industrial incubators; they pupae were irradiated with gamma rays or X-rays, damaging their chromosomes and rendering them sterile.

Then these vast quantities of screwworms were released into the wild, where they mated with female screwworms. But the males were sterile, so the eggs laid by the females wouldn't hatch.

This technique, called SIT (Sterile Insect Technique) was used to wipe out screwworm populations around the world.

I feel certain that no one on the PDJT side ever heard of this technique, or thought of it in connection with a media strategy for getting Brett Kavanaugh through the MSM-Democrat confirmation meat grinder.

15 posted on 10/15/2018 2:48:39 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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To: yesthatjallen

In spite of the fact Avenutzo is a fraud he gave the party gratis someone to blame for the stupidity that has taken the Democrats down. Congrats for one HELL of a job Avenutzo.


16 posted on 10/15/2018 2:51:10 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists call 'em what you will they all have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: yesthatjallen

The Democrats have been in the gutter for a long time. It is just that they are loosing political power recently and that has got them depressed and desperate.


17 posted on 10/15/2018 2:52:33 PM PDT by Robert357 ( Dan Rather was discharged as "medically unfit" on May 11, 1954.)
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To: Steely Tom

You know what’s funny? Only until recently did I understand what that video was really all about. I was a kid when that video aired, and thought it was the funniest and best video of all time (Actually the video was groundbreaking and is among the best of all time)


18 posted on 10/15/2018 2:53:47 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (GO BREWERS! KICK THE MLB DEEP STATE @SS!)
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To: yesthatjallen

Michael Avenatti’s just like the rest of ‘the elites’ - his “core values” the same: cheating to win, passes for himself, greed, and ZERO empathy for anyone not ‘in the democrat club’...

The differences?

Avenatti knows he’s scum - he doesn’t put on airs - and he can’t discuss ‘history’ with the drawing room set. Other than that he and ‘the elites’ are the same. Exactly the same. Pond scum...


19 posted on 10/15/2018 2:55:06 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrats protect MS-13, Open Borders and Criminals. Our side wants JOBS NOT MOBS....)
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To: yesthatjallen

Remake the Dims as the Porn Party. Yeah, that’s the ticket to the White House!


20 posted on 10/15/2018 2:56:47 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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