Posted on 09/29/2018 11:13:06 AM PDT by sorrisi
Exclusive: Tim Berners-Lee tells us his radical new plan to upend the World Wide Web
With an ambitious decentralized platform, the father of the web hopes it’s game on for corporate tech giants like Facebook and Google.
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Blog pimping complaints are really dumb. FR doesn’t provide enough traffic to some site to get them a penny. Any decent internet connection takes a second to connect. It seems like a complaint from another century.
In so many ways FR could position itself more welcoming to people who might be younger.
Saw that and that is good.
If you register using email then you should have a private email account. (i.e. not gmail, yahoo, etc.
Let me know what you find out when you really get into the nuts and bolts of this project.
I believe that privacy is the civil rights issues of the 21st century. Quaint isn’t it.
Good suggestion.
Absolutely... I think so too. And they are accepting all the app development contributions they can get. Getting in on the ground floor of this might be an experience.
Thats my initial thought, admittedly I havent really fuv in tp this yet. My concern is that this is really just an effort to get people to voluntarily effectively create another version of Internet 2 by tricking everyone into giving up anonymity.
That was "dug in to".
I mean, afterall, facebook was such a "good" thing. Its gonna revolutionize business, you all NEED an account or youll beleft behind and well, goog is just SOOOO powerful, who wouldnt want to use it? This sounds a bit too much like something I HAVE to do too. Well, it is for my own benefit...Right?
Privacgy legislation is a must.
They are using the term app, but from what I am looking at they are more like webscript plugins and widgets. So it looks like you are building your own custom webpage with it’s own domain. RSS news feed aggregators... Blogs... Social network... Chats and emails... Friend network... Etc.
Apparently they have a browser coming soon. How the big need in this will be a search engine. Maybe there will be one incorporated into the browser like firefox does. Honestly... I see potential here so far.
It’s anonymous from the get go and registration. What this does is eliminate the need for a third party like Facebook, Twitter, Etc. You can build your own server using software and store everything in your own machine.
The interactions are peer to peer without any dependency on a third party at all. The unique URL addresses remove it from the normal web registry just like TOR does.
So this will apparently be creating a new slot in the deepweb where nothing is tracked or registered by normal means. It will kill Google if they create a search engine for user URLs “within this network”.
I like this concept very much... Time for a Craig’s list app there...
EVERYTHING is encrypted... :)
Well, it is one thing to make a technology that appeals to technologists, and quite another to make one that can be used by the general public. That is what is at issue here - getting John Q Public to quit playing in the facebook sandbox. I am not seeing that in this idea.
I agree... That will be the challenge. But seriously it is perfect timing for this. Everything in the network is encrypted, most is peer to peer or group peer to peer without a third party.
And there are third party servers if you wish to entertain those too, but your data is locked up and safe using these because it is all encrypted.
The cool thing I see is that everyone can quickly put together their own server for businesses etc. No need for web hosting and third party contracts controlling you.
When they get done, because they are working on it now from what I see, there will be one click app install packages for the folks who are not techy.
Been reading the chatter about it here...
Hey... The internet we have now started with personal servers that had to be dialed into by phone and they all had green screens... Gotta be positive and start somewhere... If we stay negative this mess we have now will never get fixed.
I don’t know about you... But I’m not a quitter and not going to bend over and just accept it as is. This mess is about to kill the Internet altogether.
Have you done any of the new Linux packages yet? They are no longer techy and VERY user friendly. The one I am using now is basically win 7 with much better features and uses 1/10th the resources. It just plain kicks ass over MS. But it was started just like this is and is now a powerful boob friendly OS hard to beat.
The Googles and Facebooks will not be killed with Tim Berners-Lee’s plan, without a financial model developed that would support it.
Nothing is free and if you kill all the data collection (I’d like that) you kill the financial model that makes the size and scale of a Google search engine or a Facebook possible, unless the entire Internet business model goes to paid subscription and/or charitable donations for everything.
Outside of those two things (subscriptions & donations) I don’t know any other business models that will pay for tons of stuff that now depend on data collection and its use for profit.
Could Mozilla run the Google Search engine and keep it going and healthy on donations? Will people pay monthly subscriptions to be part of Facebook, Twitter and many other sites. Those kind of answers, and many others needs to be discovered and laid out so there is a working economic model to make economically possible Tim-Berners-Lee’s technical model. It that does not happen, developers will be developing into an economic vacuum.
Did he get permission from Algor?
No.
Sir Timothy John Berners-Lee OM KBE FRS FREng FRSA FBCS pretty much invented the web. He put up the first site and page on 8/6/1991. It is still there (http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html).
In those early days, sites that ran web servers allowed users to put up their own information, files, programs, etc. to share. Users controlled their information. Before the web, there were gopher, ftp, and nfs (file shares spanning the network) services.
So imagine an app to replace Facebook, or even the Free Republic. The app may be free (for the Free Republic) or paid for (the Facebook Replacement). Rather than all your postings and data being on servers or data centers that you have no control over, that information is in a "pod" that belongs to you. Obviously, you'd have to pay for that "pod" but it's yours to do with as you please. Multiple apps could use your "pod." You can develop or acquire apps to put in your "pod" and you control access to those apps.
The first thing I put up onto the web was an audio file of me pronouncing my last name. That was in 1994 or so.
Ok - so you have a pod that contains your data. That you control. Only POD compliant apps can use this data store. (Which you control).
I do like the concept, but it is a partial solution.
FB/Google will never go for this as it would break their business model.
The Pod model may start slow but then grow with time. Perhaps it will hit critical mass at some point (Network effect).
We had better do something as the writing is on the wall in terms of censorship. They have figured out that even with all their advantages they can’t compete in the market place of ideas...So now they just want to shut our side out of the debate.
Guess were really talking about 2 different problems. Free-Speech and Privacy. But they are both very important for our side to complete and to have a healthy Republic (notice I didn’t say democracy :^)
That appears to be an intended feature.
Guess we're really talking about 2 different problems. Free-Speech and Privacy.
I think those are one in the same, mostly. The approach Sir Timothy is taking preserves both. It's quite easy to create an encryption model that only the pod owner can decrypt, or provide decryption access to a select few, not including the facility that houses the pod. But in that model, your security and privacy is only as good as your friends. Choose wisely.
“Ok - so you have a pod that contains your data. That you control. Only POD compliant apps can use this data store. (Which you control).”
And it has no registry, And it’s all encrypted, And you can set up your own personal server to store your pod on in your own machine.
There wouldn’t be anything FB/Google could do about it. The only way it could be stopped would be at the service point. And ISPs would be cutting their own throats if they did this. New “Pod friendly” ISPs would replace them.
So here’s what will happen if his takes off. FB, Twitter and Google will have to straighten up and fly right or be destroyed which they deserve.
The words “Well... I’ll just go get a pod then!” will actually hold some weight they will have to be worried about and cannot just dismiss.
I can’t believe the arrogance these companies have. They deserve every bit of something else becoming a viable option to destroy them.
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