Posted on 09/21/2018 5:51:02 AM PDT by marktwain
Early reports on the fatal grizzly bear attack on guide Mark Uptain and client Corey Chubon have been confused about many details. The attack on the bowhunter, Corey Chubon, and guide, Mark Uptain, occurred on 14 Septemberof 2018 in Wyoming. In the initial reporting, Chubon was said to have thrown a pistol to Uptain and run away.
As facts come to light, the reality is more nuanced.
Mark Uptain appears to have relied on a can of bear spray to deter the attack. A can of bear spray, with the safety off, was found at the site. The adult sow grizzly had bear spray on her at the scene. The bear was shot and killed as she attacked investigating Fish and Wildlife personnel. From buckrail.com:
The interagency search for the missing guide was suspended Friday evening and resumed early Saturday morning. The guide’s body was found that day, his fatal-injuries consistent with a bear attack.
An investigation found a discharged can of bear spray with the safety off near the body. It was later determined that the sow (female bear) had been sprayed with bear spray.
The evidence of the empty can of bear spray and spray on the attacking grizzly show this to be a fatal bear spray failure.
Reporters have talked to both Corey Chubon and his father, Frank Chubon. Corey lives in Florida, but Frank lives in Pennsylvania. The interviews seem to have been conducted separately.
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Thanks. Lol. Hollow points would probably just make them angry. Lol.
A lot of people are talking about pistol calibers and shotguns, but let’s not forget one important thing, probably even the MOST important thing.
Hunting grizzlies, or and bear, is dangerous and in the Spring or Fall, especially dangerous. Bears are hungry after hibernation and moody. In the Fall the instinct to fatten up makes them voracious.
Take thick brush, rocky ridges and other factors into account, and it is possible a large bear is only feet away when you first encounter each other. A surprised, hungry bear might charge that very second (because surprised prey can get away if given a few seconds hesitation), and you have exactly one second to reach your piece and fire before a half ton of sprung, hard energy is on you. You could easily only have you pistol out half way but when the bear hits you drop it from the impact. If it wants to eat or kill you then, there’s NOTHING you can do to stop it.
Even if you have a shotgun at port arms at the time, the bear could be on you before your finger can pull the trigger.
Grizzly hunting is dangerous. Some die trying.
Thanks. Lol. Hollow points would probably just make them angry. Lol.
LMFAO
They have always said 88’s were the most versatile artillery ever made...:)
Now they can add bear defense to the list!
Unfortunately, the dude was wearing Axe for some post-hunt date he had planned and the grizzly was female...
As my father always says, “One’s fondness for large predators varies proportionally with distance”.
Good choice of caliber there. I hear it works on waltzing Matilda’s too...
A fatal bear spray failure? That seems like one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard.
8mm Mauser B-Patrone. Preferably from an FG-42.
We only have black bears here in NJ, but we’re warned they can be particularly dangerous in late winter/early spring - when old ones who haven’t eaten enough to hibernate through the whole winter awake early, and are starving to death. Very dangerous!
A few years ago a black bear killed an exchange student in NJ near the NY border; after being warned to avoid the particular trail by American hikers who told them the bear was following them, a group of five students went anyway (to see the bear, I guess). They scattered, and one was killed; very sad...
I am told Alaska wildlife employees carry 12 ga shotguns and load 600 gr 1500 fps Brenneke Black Magic slugs for handling problem brown and polar bears...
You need significant penetration to pass through the hide and get to internal organs; lead shot or slugs MIGHT do it, but DDupleks steel slugs are 100% sure thing-- my anti-bear loadout.
Good post.
Too often, a rifle will be slung and slow to shoulder, especially if you have a backpack on.
In AK and WA it is often raining and you have to bag your rifle.
You don’t get but a few seconds with a bear.
The fanny pack, worn in front, is convenient and keeps your weapon dry and clean.
I put a key chain on the zipper to make it quick to grab and open.
Cabela’s sells dry bags for fanny packs so you can wade through water.
The magnums tend to have long barrels and are hard to stash and are usually 6 shot revolvers.
My Kimber has a short barrel, very quick to access and enough rounds to fire one or two into the dirt in front of the bear that will at least stop the bear while you dump your pack and take better aim.
I would absolutely avoid killing a bear if possible.
I’ve been charged by a bear and ran him off with a smack to the nose, with my walking stick.
My son was right there with his 1911 if I needed any help. I told him not to shoot. I actually didn’t feel the need to draw my weapon, my son is a better shot.
The key is managing fear, don’t go into bear country if you spook easily.
I grew up around bears in town, Juneau, AK. My Aunt would run them off with her broom and garden hose.
Large well placed pistol shots will stop a charging grizzly
You can youtube it
I’m no expert
Follks use from .357 to .500 linebaugh
I’d prefer .44 mag or .454 Casull myself
Or just put up with the weight of a .375 or big bore shotgun in slug
Or both
The most effective bear spray is AK-47!!!!
Quote: “Yeah, a .22 is plenty.”
Especially if loaded with bear spray.
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