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100% Certifiable California (Democrats now want to ban all fossil fuels)
Wall Street Journal ^ | September 9, 2018

Posted on 09/10/2018 8:18:50 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: reaganaut1

IIRC, the solar Federal tax credit is about to expire.


21 posted on 09/10/2018 9:13:53 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: unixfox

“How will they get around in their limos, jets, & ferraris?”

That was my first thought - they going to shutdown the airports? How’s that going to work out for them?

The top 7 commercial airports in CA boarded almost 100 million passengers in 2016...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_California


22 posted on 09/10/2018 9:17:02 AM PDT by IMTOFT (At least I'm enjoying the ride...)
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To: reaganaut1

Bmk


23 posted on 09/10/2018 9:18:43 AM PDT by Popman ("GOD´S NOT LOOKING FOR PARTNERSHIP WITH US, BUT OWNERSHIP OF US")
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To: cuban leaf

Right LET them

And when they NEED energy or whatever... we’ll be too busy to care


24 posted on 09/10/2018 9:19:23 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Nearly all men can stand adversity...to test a man's character, give him power." A. Lincoln)
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To: Vince Ferrer
Texas established their first renewable energy standard in 1999. I can't tell you when California or other states did but I assume you could find that info on the internet somewhere.

In 1995 Texas the shift began from coal to natural gas and numerous coal plants were shut down or mothballed.

The first nat gas shortages hit the US in 2000 created problems in both California and Texas and that is what set off the first windmill boom in Texas. The first renewable standrds had been set in 1999 for 2009 but Texas achieved those standrds in 2004 and the lege set newer and higher renewable standards in spring of 2005 and Katrina in the fall of 2005 knocked out a lot of nat gas production and set off the second windmill boom in Texas.

While you are correct about the capital costs of power generating plants you are ignoring the fuel costs and renewables have no fuel costs, so generally fossil fuel has lower capital costs and higher fuel costs while renewable have higher capital costs and lower(none) fuel costs.

Cash flow is much better on renewables because it takes lot longer to get coal/nat gas permitted and 20 years for nukes

The other advantage is price stability. Renewbales can offer quotes out 20 years while the coal/nat gas don't know what costs will be in 90 days.

25 posted on 09/10/2018 9:20:13 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: reaganaut1

When they do that, FR may have to leave Fresno. Then we can laugh as CA sits shivering in the dark wondering what happened.


26 posted on 09/10/2018 9:22:02 AM PDT by bk1000 (I stand with Trump)
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To: reaganaut1

Do it! Then California can go back to being a desert and in a few years I’ll be able to afford a nice beach place in Malibu.


27 posted on 09/10/2018 9:22:16 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: reaganaut1

Go for it envirosocialists. Let’s see how that works out.


28 posted on 09/10/2018 9:25:10 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: SMARTY

Oh, we’ll care - for a price. :)


29 posted on 09/10/2018 9:28:47 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: reaganaut1

California is eradicating the middle class and becoming more visibly feudal in its caste system with the spectacularly wealthy in their palaces on the coast and the ragged peons occupying the rest of the state.


30 posted on 09/10/2018 9:32:01 AM PDT by arthurus (|-|)
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To: reaganaut1

Total control. Everything not prohibited is mandatory,


31 posted on 09/10/2018 9:37:48 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE (But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.- George Orwell)
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To: reaganaut1

Does anyone in the CA leadership have an IQ above 60 or not live in a pink unicorn fantasy land with rainbows everywhere?


32 posted on 09/10/2018 9:41:26 AM PDT by Boomer
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To: READINABLUESTATE

Minnesota’s renewable standard is 25% by 2025. Eventually the state will raise it for 2035 and 2045.


33 posted on 09/10/2018 9:49:19 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: pepsi_junkie

Last April New Jersey raised their renewable standard to 35% by 2025 and 50% by 2030. California is the same, 50% by 2030.


34 posted on 09/10/2018 9:57:11 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

New Jersey is already mostly powered by the gale force hot winds generated in the Statehouse at Trenton. Or so I’ve assumed.


35 posted on 09/10/2018 9:58:49 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: Ben Ficklin

That is not going to happen without massive investment in the power grid. It also isn’t going to happen with current battery tech and the energy loss in transfer on both charge side and drawing power out. Math isn’t your friend in these calculations.


36 posted on 09/10/2018 10:15:49 AM PDT by zek157
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To: unixfox

How will they get around in their limos, jets, & ferraris?

Of course, the exceptions will be made for the elite nomenklatura since they are so much better than us.


37 posted on 09/10/2018 10:16:34 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Inability to produce on demand power is a damning negative.

You are ignoring the ability for renewables to replace current power generation. That is unless you are including liquid fluoride nuclear reactors, or some other nuclear power. Wind and solar? No, isn’t happening no matter how much you wish.


38 posted on 09/10/2018 10:20:48 AM PDT by zek157
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To: pepsi_junkie

29 Cove Road would be great.


39 posted on 09/10/2018 10:27:50 AM PDT by wally_bert (Terrific! Terrific? Harve Nyquist never ordered any radials.)
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To: zek157
Let me tell you something, they don't care what you think.

Anonymous people on the internet don't have much credibility

40 posted on 09/10/2018 10:35:40 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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