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Hundreds of Millions of U.S. Guns are Unlicensed and Untraceable
Ammoland ^ | 21 August, 2018 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 08/27/2018 5:02:07 AM PDT by marktwain

Hundreds of Millions of U.S. Guns are Unlicensed and Untraceable

In the hysteria about 3D printed guns, the words “unlicensed and untraceable” are thrown about promiscuously and irresponsibly. They are used to imply disaster is upon us, that some new scary threshold has been breached.

They are scare tactics based on ignorance. Most of the 400 million plus firearms in the United States are unlicensed (unregistered) and untraceable.  It has been that way for decades, hundreds of years. It has not made a significant difference in the crime rate. It will not make a significant difference in the future. Separate from gun licensing, there are background checks at retail purchase for most guns in the United States. Only a few states require background checks on private sales of guns. Background checks do not make a difference.

The number of guns in a state do not predict homicide rates or violent crime.

“Unlicensed and untraceable” is scary only if you think most guns are “licensed (registered)” and that “traceability” has anything to do with preventing crime.

National registration of guns has been illegal for decades. Only a few authoritarian states require registration of firearms. Those states are California, Hawaii, Maryland, and New York. The registration schemes in Hawaii and California apply to all guns. The requirements for registration of long guns are fairly recent.  Most guns that were unregistered before registration was required remain unregistered, and are grandfathered in. New York required registration of handguns only. Recently they required registration of some semi-automatic rifles. The law has been ignored by over 80% of the people affected.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; bladesofgrass; undetectable; unlicensed; untraceable
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

10 Years Free...
Well, I can’t argue that.


81 posted on 08/27/2018 11:15:56 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Monkey Gun,,,?
How about that Whammo “AirBlaster?”
IIRC.


82 posted on 08/27/2018 11:18:22 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY)
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To: Lazamataz

I have a vat...you might like.


83 posted on 08/27/2018 11:19:55 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Whiskey Tango Foxtrot)
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To: marktwain

Sounds like good news to me.


84 posted on 08/27/2018 11:20:48 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: marktwain

They shouldn’t require a license and shouldn’t be traceable.


85 posted on 08/27/2018 11:35:16 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: Big Red Badger

Imagine a Picture of Rosanne Barr holding a Monkey Gun.


86 posted on 08/27/2018 12:11:49 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The way Liberals carry on about Deportation, you would think "Mexico" was Spanish for "Auschwitz".)
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To: suthener
It means whatever comes after the comma.

"That" being, "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed".

Yes, the government is involved inasmuch as our founders laid the groundwork. And among that groundwork were limits placed on that government as enumerated in the Bill of Rights.

87 posted on 08/27/2018 12:16:27 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Get in the Spirit! The Spirit of '76!)
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To: Big Red Badger

Oh wouldn’t that be just sublime.


88 posted on 08/27/2018 12:17:40 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Get in the Spirit! The Spirit of '76!)
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To: PapaBear3625

Do you know if somebody who moves into California must declare his firearms collection?
= = =

There are signs to do so, in our DMV, for incoming folks when they register their cars in CA, and ...

From our fuzzy, lovable AG:

Firearms Information for New California Residents

Home Firearms Regulations Firearms Information for New California Residents

Pursuant to Penal Code sections 17000 and 27560, any person who moves into California with a firearm is considered a “Personal Firearm Importer” and is required by California law to do one of the following within 60 days:

Complete and submit a New Resident Report of Firearm Ownership (BOF 4010A), pdf along with $19.00 to the California Department of Justice, Bureau of Firearms;
Sell or transfer the firearm to a California licensed firearms dealer or to another individual using a California licensed firearms dealer to conduct the transaction; or
Sell or transfer the firearm to a California police or sheriff’s department. Persons choosing this option should contact the law enforcement agency for instructions prior to transporting the firearm to the agency.

TRANSPORTING HANDGUNS

Any person transporting handguns into California is required under California law to transport those handguns unloaded and in a locked container other than the glove compartment or utility compartment of a vehicle.
ASSAULT WEAPONS

Please be advised that it is generally unlawful to bring assault weapons into California. Additionally, machine guns and ammunition feeding devices with the capacity to accept greater than 10 rounds may not be transported into California.

Failure to comply with California law could result in criminal prosecution (Pen. Code, § 27590).


89 posted on 08/27/2018 12:18:15 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You know that I am full of /S)
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To: marktwain

That will be the day I “license” my firearm!!!! I an a resident of Arizona.


90 posted on 08/27/2018 12:19:58 PM PDT by Cheerio ( #44, the UNKNOWN Manchurian Candidate)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

True on all points.

We think of these things as creeping incrementalism, but they are actually a series of milestones that change the course of our Country’s future.

Once the Populace gets “comfortable” after these milestones occur, it’s time for the next plateau to be reached.


91 posted on 08/27/2018 12:21:26 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The way Liberals carry on about Deportation, you would think "Mexico" was Spanish for "Auschwitz".)
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To: Scrambler Bob

Just wait until they turn those CA “Agricultural Inspection Stations into Motor Vehicle Illicit Arms Search Stations.


92 posted on 08/27/2018 12:24:46 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The way Liberals carry on about Deportation, you would think "Mexico" was Spanish for "Auschwitz".)
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To: Kickass Conservative
"I still wish my Dad had bought me the WWII German Anti Tank Rifle tat I saw advertised in the back of a Magazine. It was a bit expensive at the time, $179 as I recall."

$189.50 which included a lot of accessories...In 1957...

Semi-automatic, 80 cal (20MM)...4-foot, 4-inch bbl...Able to penetrate 2-inch steel armor plate...Exceptional grouping rapid fire at 5/8-mile...

50-rnds (each rnd weighed 1/3-lb) for $37.50...

Price included:


93 posted on 08/27/2018 12:43:57 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: SuperLuminal

Now I’m really depressed. LOL


94 posted on 08/27/2018 1:02:59 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The way Liberals carry on about Deportation, you would think "Mexico" was Spanish for "Auschwitz".)
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To: JimRed

“So, registration is voluntary! BUT (and it’s a big but) to legally purchase a firearm in NJ you must apply for and be issued a permit to purchase. If that ain’t registration, what is? “


That’s not quite right. In NJ, you need a permit (signed by the local CLEO) for each handgun that you purchase (or receive) from an FFL. So ALL handguns are registered if they are transferred in NJ. Long guns are a different matter - you do need a Firearms Owner ID card to buy one, but those purchases are not supposed to be registered (other than the federal 4473 nonsense).

Take it from me, a (thankfully) ex-resident of that dark and fascist state, that’s the law. Note that I left with about 200 years (in Rahway State Prison) worth of normal capacity magazines nearly 20 years ago...and I have only gone back for occasional visits every few years. I miss some aspects of NJ, but not one thing having to do with firearms.


95 posted on 08/27/2018 1:19:44 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Kickass Conservative

We’ve been “Had!”


96 posted on 08/27/2018 1:42:03 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY)
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To: USCG SimTech

“The government employees and politicians, their children even their pets are all targets for being tortured to death.”

Eh? What in the world would make you think that we normals are going to torture children.


97 posted on 08/27/2018 1:49:18 PM PDT by dsc (Our system of government cannot survive one-party control of communications.)
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To: SuperLuminal

I imagine those rounds would easily have penetrated the storage tanks in Las Vegas.


98 posted on 08/27/2018 2:01:59 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: bert

Hunting license information is somewhat revealing.


99 posted on 08/27/2018 2:29:27 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: dsc
Eh? What in the world would make you think that we normals are going to torture children.

In bloody civil wars, it only takes a small percentage on each side to commit numerous atrocities. After one side starts, it escalates.

I shows America's resilience that there has been no escalation after the baseball park shooting.

100 posted on 08/27/2018 3:19:13 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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