Posted on 08/25/2018 4:16:11 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
Ten GOP senators this week introduced legislation that they say would protect ObamaCare provisions for people with pre-existing conditions.
The bill, introduced on Thursday, comes as congressional Democrats try to tie Republicans to the Trump administration's decision not to defend some ObamaCare provisions in a federal lawsuit filed by red states.
The legislation is an effort by the GOP to push back on the Democratic attacks, and it shows the concern among Republicans over the court case ahead of the midterms.
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I think you have described the political problem exactly, but I don’t think the result is that the Republican Party won’t exist by 2024. Instead, we will have two parties committed to some version of socialist medicine. I think Krauthammer was probably right that the fundamental argument over “healthcare” is now over, that the left won, and that “single payer” is now more or less inevitable.
Republicans have already bought fully into the premise that it is the federal government’s responsibility to ensure that everyone is “covered”—we saw that play out last year. Any opposition to ObamaCare is in name, not substance, as this thread demonstrates.
I don’t disagree with any of that.
Like it or not, this isn't just the Democrats philosophy. It was codified in 1986 when Reagan signed EMTALA which mandates hospitals to provide emergency treatment regardless of ability to pay.
Unless as a society we decide it's OK to let people die because they can't afford healthcare then we're just arguing over the fairest, most efficient way to pay for the socialization.
People hand wave about high risk pools and the like, as if we don't end up paying for them, when in fact we do.
As long as we provide care we're all going to pay for it one way or the other.
If it covers pre-existing conditions it is cost shifting, not insurance.
Insurance is a clean bet, covering pre-existing conditions nullifies the bet as the insurer already lost before the bet was made.
How do you feel about letting them have runny noses because they can't afford "healthcare"?
Trillions of dollars and thousands of pages of regulation and legislation designed to try and make guaranteed issue and community rating work. It never will. They simply result in premiums for the young and healthy to become so inflated that it becomes irrational to buy health insurance, which then requires either price controls, government subsidies, or compulsory insurance to finance “affordable” insurance for the old and sick. That is the silliness that will inevitably result in single payer.
It also works when the third party can borrow or print money without limit.
I didn’t click on the link.
Who are they?
In 1993, the Hillary Clinton health care bill specified a $50 000 fine or five years in prison for any doctor taking cash for a service covered by her system.
Don't kid yourself. That's where the last battle in this war is going to be fought.
I trust the Republicans to screw that up, as well.
The same way they have since 1986.
Borrow or print $20 trillion.
Do it until debt no longer functions as money.
I'm cool with it.
As it turns out, until politicians run and win on the platform of letting people die because they can't afford care my feelings don't much matter.
A bit of a difference between the two.
That ship sailed decades ago.
I stand beside you. Let those who choose to take issue with this rant. The Senate is dysfunctional most of the time. We really need new people there, especially a new Leader.
Will the Republicans also mandate that State Farm sell Pre-Existing House Fire Conditions Insurance?
I have no idea how you stumbled to that conclusion, and I don't really care. But agree or disagree, coverage for pre-existing conditions is one of two most popular features of Obamacare, virtually the only two. The Secretary of State in a bunch of blue states, including Missouri, have a case before the Supreme Court challenging the constitutionality of Obamacare. If the court strikes Obamacare down, and they really should, then these two features go away. McCaskill is already hammering Hawley on his plan to end coverage for pre-existing conditions and it's an attack that Hawley really has no defense for, other than some mealy-mouthed promise that Congress would enact a law to resume the coverage. Well if this is it then the Senate is only giving McCaskill more ammunition.
As for insurance coverage, I do not give a damn if you have coverage or not. I have remarkable coverage through my employer and don't plan on giving that up. My monthly premium went up by $2.87 per paycheck this year. I could not care less what happened with your premium. And finally, I do not care what you think makes health care "massively overpriced". It isn't for me and that's all I care about.
Health insurance as a voluntary contract between private parties is a free enterprise transaction. Government healthcare, in all its varying degrees of mandates and rules, if not as a single payer, is a socialist enterprise.
Your statement that “if your goal is to ensure everyone has access to health insurance” is a socialist premise if you beleive your goal should be paid for by someone else. With no exclusions for preexisitng conditions and community rating what you are calling insurance is simply government controlled healthcare spending. You are proposing socialism.
An insurance contract between private parties is not socialism and the government should not dictate the terms of the contract. You are hijacking private healthcare insurance in the cause of a socialist health care spending for all scheme.
I want everyone to have access to health care but I reject your socialism. I do not beleive government should solve our problems for us. Do you beleive everyone should have access to quality food and housing as well? What about clothing and transportation? Enjoy the slippery slope to Serfdom.
I'm not proposing it. They are.
True - the ability to arm yourself and maintain a livelihood is MORE important that health insurance.
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