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You seem so obsessed with proving yourself right and me wrong, that you are missing a large grey area that merits debate.

You're really having a hard time determining what the hell you believe. In your last post you agreed with my original point that lawbreakers should be brought to justice. Now you're off going sideways again. Do you realize that?

Yes, sure I want folks to understand that criminals must be prosecuted. Who knew? Once again, you can't grasp the issues here.

Your entire argument is based on a false dichotomy between:

A) enforcing the laws, and applying strict punishments, thus ridding ourselves of deep state criminals once and for all, vs.

B) letting them get away with a slap on the wrist, only to have them return to power the next Leftist administration.

I have not advocated for anything other than what the law prescribes. I didn't address hand slaps or some sort of draconian measures. This is nothing but nonsense, more noise on the matter and nothing else.

Yet, due to the presidential pardon, they can return to power regardless of how strictly you enforce the law, assuming no death penalty.

Do you have no morals at all? I'm just curious if you can grasp any part of what passes for doing the right thing when it comes to right and wrong. So what if someone is pardoned later on? That person will have been convicted in a court of law, not just on the political stage. Jurors will have listened to evidence and they will have made a decision. A judge will have taken the verdict and set a penalty. They may actually go to prison and have to pay large fines.

Are you capable of understanding why this is important? It is important because our citizens will know one party tries to go by the law and make sure people live according to those laws. Right now today, we have not proved that in over two decades. We have known felons serving in positions of power in this nation. Either they are ensconced in the top levels of our federal law enforcement, or even holding public office. It's important for our kids to know laws are to be followed. It's even more important for citizens to know that the rule of law does still apply, and that we don't go sideways when the lawbreakers are heavy hitters.

Let the Left pardon the convicts. Let the public see it in the sunlight. While I think it would be wrong, it still would drive home which party sides with the law and which is essentially a criminal enterprise.

Do you think our nation's citizens should be able to see very clearly that there is a party that is a criminal enterprise? Well,... evidently not. Wake the hell up!

I am pointing out that because of the presidential pardon there can be no lasting legal solution - a lasting solution must include a cultural shift - winning hearts and minds, and busting up media and educational monopolies.

That comment up to the first dash is pure drivel. Sending Hillary Clinton to prison would have lasting effects on the nation. If she does twenty, five, even two years there, it will have impact as other potential lawbreakers realize their futures won't be so bright if they don't avoid criminal behavior. Who is feeding you this nonsense? As for a lasting solution, no solution whatsoever will take place without law and order. Yes a cultural shift back must take place, but that involves law and order, a respect for our nation's laws, then allowing the people of this nation to bring the media and the education monopolies back into line.

Can't you see the contempt for laws in this nation? Why do you think that is? In no small measure, it's because there is a perception that the are laws for citizens, and then the illegals and our public leaders don't have to comply with those same laws.

There is a feeling of utter contempt out here. We have to prove the citizens wrong.

Who do you propose to loft as people of moral fiber, if our party won't take a moral stand against lawless behavior? Right now both parties are bereft of leaders who will demand people respect the rule of law.

If Hillary can get away with allowing foreign nations to get our top level secrets off her server, what use are laws that demand people comply with our nations security regulations?

Trump can also ask Congress to demand of universities that they get their staff back into some semblance of political balance if they want one more tax dollar. Along with that he can demand that all voices are safe on those campuses.

These criminals must not only face legal consequences, but also, and perhaps more importantly, they must face social consequences.

OMG, you are lost in space. You just stated that there is no lasting legal solution, and now you're saying these criminals must not only face legal consequences (which you just invalidated above), but now you're off on some rant about social consequences? Okay Mr. Abide by the Law, where in your Constitution does it address social consequences? That doesn't make a lick of sense and you know it. Well, you should know it.

I believe Trump is showing us the way toward this discrediting of the Left with his one man war on political correctness and his one man war on the fake news.

Remind me to set the snooze alert. You drop in and out so frequently, it's hard to stay awake.

Remind me again how Trump discrediting the Left precludes the DOJ prosecuting people who have broken serious laws. Honestly, some of this stuff you post is just mind numbingly ill thought out.

I do have a legitimate point here, even though you insist on mocking it as some sort of Karl Rovean appeasement.

I think you're selling yourself short. You have all sorts of points. In one sentence you tell me it would be of no value to prosecute. In the next you tell me we need to prosecute.

For the better part of this thread, you did push the Rovian idea that we shouldn't go after the criminal element in our government. Bush didn't think it was important, and I think Rove was a big driving force in Bush policy.

So the upshot of all that was that Hillary Clinton ran for president in 2016, and nearly won. No, I have this aversion to allowing her to maintain here stateswoman standing. Take the bitch down.

Frankly, I don’t care if you see it or don’t see it.

Oh I see plenty.

Many others that I’ve spoken to on FR understand and share my concern and I believe Trump shares it too.

You may think you are making sense, but I hate to break it to you, you are one rather confused individual. You can't even agree with yourself for long.

There are many folks here now who think Sessions has ovestayed his welcome. That should come as no shock to you..