Posted on 08/17/2018 9:47:15 PM PDT by lasereye
Edited on 08/17/2018 10:18:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Call 2018 the
(Excerpt) Read more at wsj.com ...
Too bad nobody's reading it.
Mostly because of DDOS by leftists. The hosts had little or no problem with hosting them, but they came under digital attack. I just clicked stormfront into google and they were listed and clickable. Brought me to their forum. They are hosted. If they get dehosted, their DNS (which they still can control) will be updated in 10 minutes to point to the new hosting service. The DNS could theoretically be censored and the FBI has controlled DNS in criminal cases (botnets). But the DNS has not been used for censorship to my knowledge.
And Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorist so nobody's fighting for him.
He is hosted and will have no problem staying hosted. His problem is he needs high bandwidth for his videos and (IIRC) millions of viewers. Unlike stormfront, a cheap hosting site is not going to cut it for him. That's mainly because his personal appeal makes him an excellent video presenter. That's not true for stormfront contributors who are mainly anonymous.
The same pressure can be applied to internet hosting services and ISPs.
That is simply not correct. The exception in the past has been the DDOS attacks. The one I rememnber the best was dreamhost because I use dreamhost for some of my stuff. It was pretty much dead for a few hours. But dreamhost had no financial issues from it. I didn't leave and probably nobody else did.
People need to take this crap seriously now and stop brushing it off with free market excuses. There is a concerted, coordinated effort to shut conservatives and right-wing populists off the web, a direct consequence to gains they have made through their effective use of social media.
That is correct. The devil is in the details. I have read one plan, so far, that I liked: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/aug/9/title-vii-solution-social-media-censorship/ It's incremental. It is not the 20 pound sledgehammer that some people say they want. But if they want a sledgehammer then they need to state exactly what it is, what it will do, and what unintended consequences it might have and what to do about those.
Starting to happen. Conservapedia.
There are sites like MeWe and Gab that at least don’t censor.
I suppose we could all migrate back to MySpace. Wouldn’t that be ironic?
Ok Smart guy, send a message to Jim Robinson who monitors our position in the grand scheme of things and then come back and let us “old Men” know what you find out
Also, not sure where you stand with Q but I see people there referring to posts here on FR, so we must be doing something right all demeaning comments from you aside
If you want to be part of a sideshow, I urge you to go elsewhere, it to me is still a free country and all the Trolls and Shills that have been coming here from the QAnon board just clutter things up anyway
So, either you are part of the solution or you are part of the problem
Choose
In the glory days of Detroit, when competition first came, it was from economical imports. Similarly, Facebook might best be challenged not by a peer competitor but by a lean social media app with wide viewpoint toleration and an option to turn off ad tracking. Indeed, with a jolt of capital, expertise, and Jim Robinson’s blessing, this forum might spawn such an app, not as a Facebook competitor but as an anti-Facebook app.
I have an active Twitter, Youtube, and Reddit accounts where I post conservative viewpoints that non-conservatives and politically low-info people are exposed to. This makes me part of the solution.
I also enjoy posting here but there is no post on Free Republic that is making non-Trump voters into Trump voters. Everyone here already voted for Trump and they'll vote for Republicans in November, no matter if I'm here, or you're here, or not. This is the church and we're the choir.
What are you doing? If you want to be part of the solution, you need to step away from FR's safe space and go out and spread conservative viewpoints to people who haven't heard them. It's a big, scary world out there.
I love this place. I've been here a long time. But Free Republic is entertainment. it isn't activism. Maybe Jim should let liberals post here? They could come here and see their talking points get demolished by logic. Liberal ideas always collapse under scrutiny which is why Twitter and Youtube are so desperate to ban them.
I come across quite a broad array of posters here, they cover the whole gamut in my view. Jim does not in my almost 20 years here prohibit anyone posting their thoughts, ideas etc. The hope and premise here has always been to allow for a free republic style which means free speech, like an open debate. You will find all types here, including pile ons, band wagoners etc. as you do on the sites you mention
What do I do here, I bring information I find elsewhere on multiple sources far beyond social media. I am a researcher by nature and in large part vocation, so going beyond opinions to the roots of the issue and bringing them to the threads to provide deeper understanding of the foundations of the issues. In short I hope to educate people not indoctrinate them, choose is my main theme and if you have read all the material and choose different from me so be it.
And I agree with your closing statement, if you are going to come over here be prepared to have more than slogans and talking points, which is why I try in my own way and nature to provide deeper insights from my searches and provide them to provoke a deeper level of understanding to all of our fellow Freepers here.
Actually just looked at one of your comments and I have seen of late many posts from people who did not vote for Trump in the primaries, and even some in the election but over time they wake up and look for more info and insights to answer deeper questions in their mind.
Not perfect, but neither is it like other locations I drive by and occasionally stop in and see what is happening. FreeRepublic is just one stop on my rounds, it is imprative for me in doing what I do to be deeply aware an informed about global events and trends, changes etc. That is my market space and has been for years.
That's not now it works. Facebook, Twitter etc. didn't start from big corporate sponsors. They got money from people looking for the next big thing.
In the summer of 2004, venture capitalist Peter Thiel made a $500,000 angel investment in the social network Facebook for 10.2% of the company and joined Facebook's board. This was the first outside investment in Facebook.
It so happens that Peter Thiel is a Trump supporter. There's plenty of money out there if someone knows what they're doing.
How do you know you’re not being shadow banned?
Free Republic is not social media. Social media is where something you post automatically gets seen by others (”friend”,”follow” etc.).
Typically social media notifies you by email when they post something, not just when you log in to the site. Social media typically makes suggestions about who you might want to start following. They have various ways of figuring that out. It’s extremely sophisticated. Another useful feature is to be able to search for people by name. Facebook and Linkedin do those things. I’m not sure what Twitter does, since I’ve never had an account, but they probably do all those things.
Plus it’s quite a bit easier to post articles from other sources on Facebook than Free Republic. On Facebook it’s nothing. Free Republic is too laborious for many people. It’s actually quite primitive.
Also it isn’t just social media we’re talking about. I believe GoFundME has blocked conservatives from fund raising. Someone could start a conservative version.
What good does that do? MySpace is not conservative.
Google, Facebook, et al, have invested heavily in Congressmen. Fix campaign finance and so many problems can be handled.
Who would go after the ISP's?
As far as I know, tehy don’t censor and deplatform.
That’s because no one goes on it. It’s not conservative.
Who follows Trump on Twitter? His supporters. Who follows any conservative on Twitter? Other conservatives. You think liberals follow conservatives on Twitter? You only know what people on Twitter are saying if you follow them. On Twitter, YouTube etc. you find people you're interested in. That's how social media works.
Of course when Trump tweets something it's news but he's an exception. Why wouldn't it be news on a conservative version of Twitter as well?
Trump's an exception anyway - they can't shadow ban him. But they can do it to just about anyone else. Twitter, You Tube, Facebook are becoming totally unusable to conservatives.
At some point if someone wants to connect with a conservative who has left Facebook, they'll have to join the conservative Facebook. The conservative will explain to the person that they are being shadow banned, so you need to come over here. It might cut deep into Facebook.
No. We don't make our own platforms. We use the ones that are already there!
That is a remarkably unconservative sentiment.
This is not even remotely accurate. Have you ever read the replies to one of President Trump's tweets? It isn't just conservatives who follow him.
On the flip side, go read the replies to one of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or Chelsea Clinton's tweets. I've never laughed harder at some of the expert trolling that shows up.
So that’s how it started. Investment capital can be used for costs of a startup, for improvements like equipment and other assets for increasing production, but ongoing salaries are most properly paid from profits from advertising receipts, sales receipts from consumers and similar revenues. I’m guessing that most of the revenues to the big social media companies comes from advertising, and sponsors control policies.
That’s certainly true of media companies like CNN and the one that publishes the New York Times. The sponsors are behind the propaganda, and most likely, many of them are alumni of universities that regulate the production of journalists and reporters. I’ve worked in the offices of some well known corporations, and the environment in those places was quite toxic with unhealthy social leftism.
We’ve seen what too many of the big corporate sponsors have to say and do with their social policies in regards to feminism, homo-activism, multiculturalism (globalism), gun control, etc. More recently, we’re seeing their stand through their media mouthpieces and decreasing pool of crooked politicians against our President and his Administration.
A few of them, seeing a potential debt collapse ahead for lack of sustainable revenues, are helping to make America great again. Making America great again will include more manufacturing on U.S. soil (and hiring men) to correct balance of payments deficits and start paying down the debts. It’s that or torches and pitchforks, and we all know it.
As for evil social policies that have ruined and broken so many families, it’s obvious by now that men and women will resume doing what is natural and healthy. Even psychopathic individuals who’ve hoped to keep men and women divided to keep families from rising to compete in business are beginning to realize the truth of that matter and entertain us with interesting displays of hysteria.
During the ‘70s, a contractor created and distributed a crazy conspiracy theory for the purpose of turning citizens away from factual news about some corruption and turning citizens away from conservative politicians. We’re a little more immune to that tactic now and have even been using conspiracy theories against some corrupt organizations.
See how they’ve reacted. And they think they’re going to shut us up by rejecting us from their declining media outlets. ;-D
It’s time to realize that we are the alternative media. This is not about the personas that we present through the Internet, but rather, our physical persons in person. Memes can be spoken in person, leafleted and posted. We can also wear the memes, and they can be quite well popularized. It’s time to leave the plantation of fear against speaking and interact more in our real communities.
It’s also time to show that we can be more interesting in person than the garbage that people have been receiving through cellphones. Dump the negativity, and be positive. Get outdoors, and get in shape. Say “hi” to the neighbors.
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