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*MANAFORT JURY ASKS ABOUT DEFINITION OF SHELF COMPANY… 2:15 PM - 16 Aug 2018
Exactly.
I am sure that the jury charge defined reasonable doubt. It is just that many jury charge definitions are not all that clear. For example:
"Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is proof that leaves you firmly convinced the defendant is guilty. It is not required that the government prove guilt beyond all possible doubt.
A reasonable doubt is a doubt based upon reason and common sense and is not based purely on speculation. It may arise from a careful and impartial consideration of all the evidence, or from lack of evidence.
If after a careful and impartial consideration of all the evidence, you are not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty, it is your duty to find the defendant not guilty. On the other hand, if after a careful and impartial consideration of all the evidence, you are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty, it is your duty to find the defendant guilty."
That would be a SHELL company.
I guess it depends on who sets it up, why they set it up, and for what it is eventually used.
Yep, this is how its done in the real world.
I’ve got one.
The Judge should have responded: Robert Mueller’s Russia Investigation
Interesting fact that in the rules of evidence, the judge is not allowed to define that. The lawyers, in closing, both try to shape the definition, but it is left to the jury by design.
There will be no definition provided to this jury.
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Nope. Reasonable doubt is defined in the law and given in the jury instructions, the jury decides based on their interpretation of the facts, whether their is a reasonable doubt of guilt or not. The arguments of the lawyers try to convince the jurors of what the facts are, and whether or not reasonable doubt exists.
Not correct.
"The beyond a reasonable doubt standard is a requirement of due process, but the Constitution neither prohibits trial courts from defining reasonable doubt nor requires them to do so as a matter of course. Cf. Hopt v. Utah, 120 U.S. 430, 440-441 (1887). Indeed, so long as the court instructs the jury on the necessity that the defendant's guilt be proven beyond a reasonable doubt,see Jackson v. Virginia, 443 U.S. 307, 320, n. 14 (1979), the Constitution does not require that any particular form of words be used in advising the jury of the government's burden of proof. Cf. Taylor v. Kentucky, 436 U.S. 478, 485-486 (1978). Rather, "taken as a whole, the instructions [must] correctly conve[y] the concept of reasonable doubt to the jury." Holland v. United States, 348 U.S. 121, 140 (1954)."
Twitter is disgusting.
I so hope Manafort walks.
Pure political prosecution. He is in trouble because Trump won. Period.
If you need to ask, you’ve got it.
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Bingo.
The responses are hilarious in the comment replies.
Especially the one about the jury note to the judge seeing Manafort “hopelessly innocent” and asking for protection from Antifa.
Zinnnng.
No it's not. It has a clear definition and should have been part of the jury instructions IMO.
I know this because we asked the judge the very same question regarding "reasonable" doubts.
If they vote to convict, I’m hoping Trump Pardons him 30 seconds later, on Twitter, so the jury can hear about it as they leave the building.
Part of the responsibility of the prosecution is to engage the juror and make it interesting. You don’t want bored jurors. Probably why they wanted to present all the bling Manafort had accumulated. Class envy, that kind of thing.
If it’s all about getting Trump why didn’t the jury deliver a guilty verdict by the end of day 1?
I’m going in. I’m always up for a little hilarity.
I heard a report today....the media mentioned multiple times that Manafort “could die in prison” if convicted. Sick.
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