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To: BroJoeK; wardaddy; Ohioan; manc

“Democrats and their allies are working furiously to rewrite history, turning Confederates into conservative Republicans and making Lincoln’s northerners into liberal Democrats.”

Nice try. It fits the confusion that Dinesh and his ilk are sowing.

Those extremist northerners were in fact the Radical Republicans, a name that they gave themselves as early as 1854. It included a healthy number of 48er radicals who had come to the US after their failed European revolution, Carl Schurz being one, and who were involved in the founding of the Republican Party. A group that believed in the raw use of government power. But they were the driving force for the complete eradication of slavery and for war to eradicate secession. I suppose they are the true heroes for today’s yankeefa as they tour the country eradicating statues.

Lincoln didn’t belong to the Radicals but they were a powerful force in the government. Sumner. Stevens. Stanton. Butler. Logan. Stanton and Butler had both been Democrats. They often were at odds with Lincoln, he was too moderate for their purposes. Stevens even made speeches the seemed to call for the extermination the white population of the south. He could probably get elected today on that one, but he might have to run as a California Democrat.


115 posted on 08/13/2018 12:00:49 PM PDT by Pelham (California, Mexico's socialist colony)
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To: Pelham
Pelham: "Nice try. It fits the confusion that Dinesh and his ilk are sowing."

So Pelham is allied with our Leftist media to turn real history on its head.
Why am I not surprised.

Pelham: "Those extremist northerners were in fact the Radical Republicans, a name that they gave themselves as early as 1854.
It included a healthy number of 48er radicals who had come to the US after their failed European revolution, Carl Schurz being one, and who were involved in the founding of the Republican Party."

The fact is the vast majority of new Republicans were simply Northern Whigs, like Lincoln & Seward mixed with some Free Soil Democrats like Chase from Ohio and Fremont from California.
Of course Republicans were applauded by some groups in Europe, other groups supported Confederates.
Such supporters did not necessarily define the parties or their leaders.

Pelham: "A group that believed in the raw use of government power.
But they were the driving force for the complete eradication of slavery and for war to eradicate secession.
I suppose they are the true heroes for today’s yankeefa as they tour the country eradicating statues."

Nonsense -- Northern abolitionism was not driven by 1848 European revolutionaries, that's fantasy.
You might just as well claim Southern slavery was propped up by British aristocracy, which supported the Confederacy.

Even in early 1865 Confederates were offered compensated abolition in exchange for peace but refused.
They preferred Unconditional Surrender and uncompensated abolition, who knew?

Pelham: "Stevens even made speeches the seemed to call for the extermination the white population of the south."

So did, curiously, Jefferson Davis:


117 posted on 08/13/2018 7:39:51 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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