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CAPITAL PUNISHMENT: Pope Francis vs. the Catholic Church
The Remnant ^ | August 7, 2018

Posted on 08/07/2018 4:53:15 PM PDT by detective

RTV's 'Sunday Sermons from South St. Paul' blows the lid off Pope Francis's attempt to change the constant teaching of the Catholic Church on capital punishment. In what surely must be one of the most courageous sermons of 2018, this diocesan priest takes the gloves off and asks:

"What's it going to be? The constant teaching established by Scripture, doctors and fathers of the Church, sainted popes and God Himself? Or that which rests on the whim of Pope Francis, who seems to think the Catholic Church’s binding teaching is whatever his opinion happens to be."

God help us, what is this man thinking, that in the middle of the most outrageous clerical sex scandal to date he decides it’s time to go after capital punishment...

(Excerpt) Read more at remnantnewspaper.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: capitalpunishment; popefrancis
Video at link.
1 posted on 08/07/2018 4:53:15 PM PDT by detective
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I’m sure I might get a lot of hate for this ...but: I believe the State has the right to execute a criminal but given the current state of our Country I don’t trust the legal system enough to put anyone’s life on the line.


2 posted on 08/07/2018 5:02:21 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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I’m sure I might get a lot of hate for this ...but: I believe the State has the right to execute a criminal but given the current state of our Country I don’t trust the legal system enough to put anyone’s life on the line.

No hate from me.

There are two separate issues here. One is whether the Bible teaches that the state can execute criminals, and the answer is clearly yes. The other is whether we would want our state executing what it calls criminals, which is a political and not a theological issue.

I would trust Donald Trump in DC, and Rick Scott in Tallahassee, to execute criminals as justly as any ruler can. I would not trust Hillary Clinton in DC, or Barack Obama or Kamala Harris or Bernie Sanders or Tim Kaine to execute criminals justly. I do not trust Kim Jong-Un to do anything justly with criminals. But the Bible granted Obama, and grants Trump and Kim, the same authority to execute criminals that it granted Claudius and Nero in the time of Paul.

3 posted on 08/07/2018 5:12:09 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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what is this man thinking, that in the middle of the most outrageous clerical sex scandal to date he decides it’s time to go after capital punishment...

What's he thinking? Get some headlines that don't involve clerical sex scandals.

4 posted on 08/07/2018 5:24:34 PM PDT by omega4412
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You are, I think, quite right in your reasoning.

Our present government does not legally prevent killing the innocent by the hundreds of thousands. In fact, it (still) acts as criminal accomplice.

Our Lord's "argument" against killing the woman caught in adultery was not that she didn't do it, and not even that adultery ought not to be a capital crime. (That's a separate issue). But His argument was that there wasn't anybody there just and blameless enough to carry out the execution.

I do not think our government, as an institution, is grounded in the justice or moral perception necessary to carry out ANY execution.

5 posted on 08/07/2018 6:09:03 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Put not thy trust in princes, in men in whom there is no salvation.)
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Well, I guess then if you are going to kill people, kill as many as you want because the state no longer has the authority to execute murderers. you can keep killing while in jail. No worries.


6 posted on 08/07/2018 6:51:54 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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in most cases i do. especially the cases with overwhelming and irrefutable evidence.


7 posted on 08/07/2018 6:52:40 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Death Penalty Still Permissible For People Who Drive Slowly In The Left Lane, Pope Francis Clarifies

https://babylonbee.com/news/death-penalty-still-permissible-for-people-who-drive-slowly-in-the-left-lane-pope-francis-clarifies/


8 posted on 08/07/2018 7:29:02 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Heaven has a wall and strict immigration policy. Hell has open borders--seen on a tee shirt)
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I can understand Christians being against the death penalty (I’m not) because it is a final bar to salvation if the person hasn’t given himself to Christ....but I also thought that we were supposed to be obedient to the governments put over us because they are there by God’s Will.....this religious stuff gets so dang complicated.....


9 posted on 08/08/2018 3:19:37 AM PDT by trebb (Too many "Conservatives" who think their opinions outweigh reality these days...)
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